“Pause” ends tomorrow. Anyone else filled with dread ?

[Desertrose2023]

Just that really. I’ve felt such relief the past couple of days that my phone won’t be filled with a constant stream of murdered Palestinian kids and wailing parents. That all ends tomorrow and I have such a sense of foreboding even though I’m safe and comfortable thousands of miles away. I can’t begin to imagine the dread the Palestinians in Gaza must be feeling tonight knowing their genocide resumes tomorrow. When will it end 😞

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@Xenia , you write like you have listened to a Netanyahu playbook and repeat here. Atleast with other pro Israeli supporters, though I may disagree completely, there is still some space for debate and conversation. But you're straight off daily fail/Netanyahu headlines with little variation or depth.

I would encourage you to read a little further - Ilan Pappe as mentioned, Simha Flapan, both Israeli historians, to name just 2. You don't have to change your mind, but it may give you a little wider perspective.

I would be wary of clicking on a link to somewhere I don’t recognise.

@Chaitales I have always known you to be respectful.
Let's try and play nice. We are all doing our best under a difficult set of circumstances and all have our reasons for feeling the way we do.
Shalom

You know, it is not despite but because people I have considered friends have died that I genuinely grieve for Israeli victims!

I am an atheist but - for whatever this is worth from someone who personally believes that what remains of us after we die are the people who mourn us alone:

I am sad that these people are dead! They deserved better as much as my student did when, earlier, I angrily posted "my [dead] student deserved better". They will never come back and each one - to someone - will be a personal "end of the world".

They all deserve better! Dead hostages, my English student R. who never even got the chance to grow up, ... WE all deserve better!

I am an atheist, so I will not say "may they rest in peace" because I do not believe in that - instead: may their loved ones come to find a way to cope and find peace for themselves!

Thank you, likewise, and noted and agreed.

Of course not, but then Israel have not taken any innocent civilians hostage which caused the conflict.

Hamas - a resistance organisation??? Are you for real? A self stated Hamas supporter.

They are a proscribed terrorist organisation hated and loathed the world over and they are going to be eradicated. End of.

How is this not genocide?

Israel has dropped a leaflet with QR code leading to this image. These are the areas it will Bomb and civilians need to flee from.

Where are they meant to go?

Genocide.

Songs at number 1 in Israel - how is this not genocide.

Erm, yeah, about that:

No, it is not called "hostage" when you happen to be a state and get to don the cloak of "legitimiacy".

Palestinians, when arrested, face military court, which has a ~100% conviction rate.

Unless, of course, when they are incarcerated never even having seen the inside of a courtroom at all, based on "administrative detention".

No, Israel does not take innocent civilians hostage - they have made up fancier words for the same basic idea - and they do it all the time!

What were the resisting when they murdered civilians in their homes?

@Chaitales low-key is a known antisemite.

'Resistance' is not raping numerous young girls and passing them round.

@HeidiInTheBigCity it's not a race to the bottom (apparently) why not acknowledge what has happened. Civilian hostages are not the same as those arrested. Holocaust survivors and peace activists who take Palestinians to hospital are not a legitimate target.

And there are lots of normal civilians involved in this atrocity.
Normal people who went through fence and joined in
Normal people who kept hostages and returned them when they tried to escape.
Normal people who crowd round buses of children being released jeering and screaming obscenities.
Not just Hamas. (Or other terrorist groups)
Normal people.

Okay, setting aside whether he is or not (i dont know if he is anti semite or against Israels military aggressions) if these songs and statements are indeed true representation of what is being popularised in Israel, do they not count as calls to hatred and genocide against a people?

And there are loads of normal Israeli people who sit and watch settlers steal homes ad terrorise people. Lots of normal Israelis who sit and watch as the IDF drag away children in the middle of the night and torture them, in fact there are lots of normal Israelis in favour of it. Lots of normal Israelis cheering as bombs drop in Gaza and merrily supporting a government that regularly spouts genocidal rhetoric. Lots of normal Israelis who said they didn't care how many civillians die in this conflict. Lots of normal Israelis which teach their children that Palestinians are less than them, that they are primitive.

Why are we listing all of this out? What was the point you were trying to make that Palestinian civilians aren't actually innocent? Because if that's the point you were trying to make I have news for you....

@OuiOuiKitty 'watching' not the same as actively joining in.
Not the same at all.

You think that people that vote in and support the genocidal aims of a facist, racist government are not actively joining in? The people who are cheering as bombs drop or who are telling their government to not bother protecting civillians are not actively joining in(but Palestinians who jeer at hostages are)?

So as long as you turn your back to horrific behaviour it's fine, it's all good. You know that people are out to take kids away in the middle of the night and torture them, you could stop it by not turning your back but it's fine, it's all good so long as it's just your democratically elected governments army doing it! You know that people are stealing homes and land with the support of the democratically elected government but close your eyes and it never happened!

Morality at it's finest in action here huh?

Desmond tutu

Normal people who went through fence and joined in
Normal people who kept hostages and returned them when they tried to escape.
Normal people who crowd round buses of children being released jeering and screaming obscenities.
Not just Hamas. (Or other terrorist groups)
Normal people.

Don't forget the normal people who formed a mob and beat a 12 year old hostage

Out of the 2.3 million of the population of Gaza you have seen maybe a thousand at the most and therefore convinced that most or if not most then alot of normal Gazans have attacked Israelis
That's not even 1% or 0.5% of the population

Let's not be so naive here that only Gazan civilians hate Israelis
There's indiscriminate hate like this on both sides
Have you already forgotten the pogrom of the Palestinians done by normal Israelis this year in the Huwara camp whilst the IDF simply stood on the side
Where hundreds of normal Israelis took revenge on innocent people in a terrible night of burning down homes and violence in response to the killing of an Israeli

And that's what it was. A pogrom. By Israelis on Palestinians

Why are you so keen to constantly point out that some Palestininans don't like the Israelis or attacked when it goes both ways.

There's plenty more examples. But it doesn't mean that all Israelis hate and want to hurt Palestininas or vice versa

You know there's a multitude of reasons and issues behind this conflict. It's not so black and white

And from the hundreds of Israelis who took part in burning down the villages in this rampage with the military simply allowing it were imprisoned?
How many of them are in prison right now?
Or did the Jerusalem Court order that most are set free?
And they continue to live very normal lives with no consequences for their actions
If you want to talk about complicity or civilian violence and the consequences or shall we say absence of consequences then there's hundreds of more examples of that

And there's plenty more examples of Palestinians and Israelis who have been good and kind and treated each other well. But we don't hear much about that because it doesn't make great catchy headlines