Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]

[Efacsen]

Continuation from thread 3

The on-going dire situation at the hospital

This was Bidens tweet today
It seems like he's trying to do that thing where he keeps everyone happy? Or I don't know just confusing in general on what his stance is
Itl be interesting to see what political analysts have to say about it

IDF made an announcement about 3 days ago [Guardian] can't remember it word for word but it basically said we're doing well wiping out Hamas and - wait for this now

'number of Hamas fighters killed is a figure between 1000 and 10000'

Obviously pretty meaningless and casting lots of shade on the civilian casualty figures

@Efacsen well a figure like that indicates to me that they don't know themselves
I saw an interview with one of the spokesman and they just would not answer the question on if they knew how many Hamas militants had been killed. They wouldn't even say an estimated figure but kept evading it and deflecting with other points even after much persistence.
Typical of most Politicians though when asked a question they don't know the answer to but won't admit it

If they dont even know how many Hamas fighters they've killed then there's no justification to keep going. Not when they've killed 6000 kids.

The 10k figure is ridiculous. It's actually crazy that they're not being pressurised to give clear figures on this very important topic.

@Parkingt111 exactly almost no point asking

So I was just thinking after a month of intense bombardment and the destruction of much of civilian infrastructure in the North how much has been gained in terms of removing Hamas?

zero.
have you seen the video of the hostages handover ? They are done in the exact spot the Israeli Army clashed with Hamas prior to the ceasefire. They casually drove in , dropped the hostages and drove off.
the IDF has absolutely no idea where Al Qassam Brigade is or what they look like or their names ,
Not even Gilad Shalit who was hostage for from 2006 to 2011 was able to identify any of them , or give any names or location .
and he was in the IDF, not a civilian so he must have received excellent training in trying to gather information.

@queenofarles yes I was actually quite suprised by that myself

Two young boys were sadly killed by the IDF in the occupied west bank today
The PRCS said their ambulances were prevented from reaching them
They put out a tweet with footage

https://twitter.com/PalestineRCS/status/1729836657212371336?t=grwfshoPcASj8JgA-SsuJw&s=19

It must be extremely frustrating for doctors and medical staff to know that there are children and injured civilians whose life is hanging on a balance and they are being prevented from reaching them to help them

On a slightly more positive note Jordan is going to hold a conference tomorrow on how to get more much needed humanitarian aid into Gaza
Even what has been coming in during the truce is nothing compared to what they need

Yesterday Israel continued to insist that this is what they intend to do

US spokesman [I think] was asking but how will you keep the civilians safe?

Not just you and I who are mystified

Daily Fail has reported on babies being left to die. I wonder will this be verified and reported. If it's true it's the worst thing I've ever heard.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12807335/Shocking-video-filmed-abandoned-Al-Nasr-Hospital-allegedly-shows-bodies-babies-left-die-city-besieged-IDF.html

Hopeful or pigs might fly territory?

Sustained ceasefire on agenda during Blinken’s fourth trip to Israel

I'm not too hopeful sadly although I wish it does happen
The WHO put out a statement yesterday about Gaza's healthcare infrastructure
They said even if the fighting resumes they don't want anymore hospitals attacked because of how few remain functioning
But they have said alot of things during this War and not much has happened so I still just see it as empty words

@Toothyfruity I don't trust the daily mail but if its true then its a horrendous situation and there needs to be an investigation in how it came about
Those poor babies

I'm wondering what the weather is like. If the temperature drops the people don't have adequate shelter or means to keep warm. Rain makes it worse, as hard to dry anything.

@stormy4319trevor the Met do a weather forecast for Gaza {OPT} - nice and sunny and dry this week 21-24 degrees* but the nights are getting colder sometimes down to 12 degrees which as you say with no warm clothing, damp from previous rain and sleeping on the ground in a tent is not only very unpleasant but actually a risk to health

*temp was nearer 30 degrees at the beginning of October

I'm glad day time weather is not cold. Thanks for looking that up @Efacsen I think there's going to be a need to put up portacabins or something, but god knows how if they have to keep moving. G reported they are only allowed to move south now and are not allowed in the sea.

Think I'm correct in saying some of the humanitarian aid is for heating and also warm clothes but UN was saying today that they have to prioritise delivery of medicines/ food/water so it's maybe not reaching people

Part of the desperation to go back to their homes in northern gaza is to get warm clothing/blankets etc - the not being allowed in the sea [what are these poor people allowed to do] was to do with people trying to get round the IDF checkpoints on the road by going along the beach/in the sea in Khan Younis

Remember a few years ago seeing people in a Syrian refugee camp in the snow - it's such a miserable existence being a refugee

No of course. I never read that dirty rag but when I searched for the story that was all that showed up for me.

A good news story, lovely to see so many people volunteering at such a difficult time. Hopefully they will be able to make it some way functional again.

it’s on TRT , I couldn’t watch the video , it’s beyond gory ,it says the babies are still attached to monitors and cannulas .

The ICRC just put up this

We have seen the footage circulating of deceased newborn babies and claims suggesting that ICRC left or abandoned these babies at the Al Nasr Hospital in northern Gaza.

This is false.

@Toothyfruity this was just posted today by the ICRC

@Efacsen doctors without borders put this up today
At approx time 3.40 of the clip the doctor from a nasr hospital talks about how they were made to evacuate
They took all patients except 5 babies who were on oxygen and asked the IDF to move them to Al shifa hospital
Something has clearly gone wrong and the babies were not moved as a few days later when the truce started and people want inside An nasr hospital they saw the 5 babies who had died and whose bodies were decomposing

https://twitter.com/MSF/status/1730254358103949531?t=N92T1GcF8ToqQwqviEfRvQ&s=19