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Conflict in the Middle East

Mainly about Al Shifa [bombed front of hospital 3]

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Efacsen · 26/11/2023 18:18

Continuation from thread 3

The on-going dire situation at the hospital

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Efacsen · 17/12/2023 07:38

Yesterday UN/WHO re-supplied Al Shifa hospital - didn't think we would ever hear about it again

There are 'a handful of doctors and nurses' still working there and the ER was described as a 'bloodbath' with 100s of injured and thousands of displaced people sheltering at the hospital again

They have been re-supplied with painkillers and anaesthetic agents but it's difficult to imagine what kind of care can be provided with so few staff/so many patients

The number of functioning/partially functioning hospitals goes up and down in a way it's difficult to understand - back up to 12 from 5 - maybe it depends on whether they have any medical supplies that day or not

It all sounds beyond horrific

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Efacsen · 17/12/2023 07:44

Really don't know what to say about what's been reported about Kamal Adwan hospital - still not in any western MSM that I've seen nearly 24 hours later

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Efacsen · 17/12/2023 09:39

Bit more about Al Shifa from WHO

The World Health Organization said it would “strengthen” the al-Shifa hospital “in the coming weeks” in order for it to resume basic services.

“Up to 20 operating theatres in the hospital, as well as post-operative care services, can be activated if provided with regular supplies of fuel, oxygen, medicines, food, and water,” the WHO said, along with the necessary staff.''

NB There are 70 volunteers as well as the handful of qualified staff keeping the hospital open atm

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Parkingt111 · 17/12/2023 11:01

It might come out later still

Matthew Miller was asked if the US knew about the babies left behind by the IDF after forcing the evaluation of An-nasser hospital and if he would call it a war crime. This was his pathetic response. No condemnation either

"I would say that is a tragedy,
"It's a tragedy for those babies. It's a tragedy for their family members. It's a tragedy for the Palestinian people and it is a tragedy for the world," Miller continued. "And this is why we have made clear that far too many Palestinians have been killed in this conflict, and that, of course, includes far too many Palestinian children and of course, Palestinian babies."
"And it is why we have taken every measure we could to speak loudly and clearly to the government of Israel that it needs to do everything it can to minimize civilian harm," he added.

Parkingt111 · 17/12/2023 11:06

Just a simple yes very sad, but not to worry as we have asked them not to do it again.

barkingmel · 17/12/2023 11:19

Emergency department at al-Shifa hospital is 'a bloodbath', warns WHO

The emergency department at the al-Shifa hospital in northern Gaza is “a bloodbath” and the facility is “in need of resuscitation”, the World Health Organization has warned.
The WHO said “tens of thousands of displaced people are using the hospital building and grounds for shelter”, and that there is “a severe shortage” of drinking water and food.

The operating theatres are not functioning due to a lack of fuel, oxygen and other supplies, said the WHO after one of its teams delivered medical supplies to the hospital yesterday, along with other UN agencies.
In a statement, the WHO said:

The team described the emergency department as a “bloodbath”, with hundreds of injured patients inside, and new patients arriving every minute.

Patients with trauma injuries were being sutured on the floor, and limited to no pain management is available at the hospital.The al-Shifa hospital, Gaza’s biggest, is seen as a key objective because it dominates a sector of Gaza City where many government buildings are located.

Israel has said there is an Hamas command centre in bunkers underneath, something that Hamas and hospital staff have denied.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/dec/17/israel-gaza-war-live-netanyahu-says-government-committed-as-ever-to-war-in-gaza-as-uk-and-germany-call-for-ceasefire

Israel-Gaza war live: Emergency department at al-Shifa hospital ‘a blood bath’, says WHO; France calls for immediate truce

World Health Organization reports ‘severe shortage’ of drinking water and food; Paris ‘deeply concerned’ over civilian deaths

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/dec/17/israel-gaza-war-live-netanyahu-says-government-committed-as-ever-to-war-in-gaza-as-uk-and-germany-call-for-ceasefire

Thereissomelight · 17/12/2023 17:51

Ffs those poor people.

Thereissomelight · 17/12/2023 17:51

Horror after horror.

Efacsen · 17/12/2023 20:50

The 'fall' of Kamal Adwan has finally made it into MSM - Guardian in fact

The World Health Organization said that it is “appalled” following Israel’s deadly raid on Gaza’s Kamal Adwan hospital over the weekend.

After Israel’s destruction of the only working hospital in northern Gaza through which witness reports emerged accusing Israeli forces of crushing Palestinians, including wounded patients, using bulldozers, WHO chief Tedros Ghebreyesus said:

“WHO is appalled by the effective destruction of Kamal Adwan hospital in northern #Gaza over the last several days, rendering it non-functional and resulting in the death of at least 8 patients.

Many health workers were reportedly detained, and WHO and partners are urgently seeking information on their status.”

We learned that many patients had to self-evacuate at great risk to their health and safety, with ambulances unable to reach the facility. Of the deceased patients, several died due to lack of adequate health care, including a 9-year-old child.

Urgent int’l investigation needed to probe Israeli war crimes after Palestinian civilians buried alive at Gaza’s Kamal Adwan Hospital

Urgent int’l investigation needed to probe Israeli war crimes after Palestinian civilians buried alive at Gaza’s Kamal Adwan Hospital

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6039/Urgent-int%E2%80%99l-investigation-needed-to-probe-Israeli-war-crimes-after-Palestinian-civilians-buried-alive-at-Gaza%E2%80%99s-Kamal-Adwan-Hospital

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Parkingt111 · 17/12/2023 21:08

@Efacsen that's really bad. Even worse details emerging than we knew previously

I saw a video of the doctors trying to hold a press conference outside the hospital and they too were fired at by the IDF and had to immediately disperse

Parkingt111 · 17/12/2023 21:16

Some absolutely dreadful images coming out of Naser medical complex that has been hit right now in Khan Younis.
It's late right now I'm assuming we will see it on MSM tomorrow now

braticus · 17/12/2023 23:05

Seeing videos on twitter which appear to show that Israel has bombed a children's hospital. Horrific.

x.com/stairwayto3dom/status/1736491068307263881?s=46

Toothyfruity · 17/12/2023 23:50

Outrageous.

I saw a report from an Irish MEP today, Barry Andrews, saying that Israel was clearly doing everything possible to frustrate lorries going through the Rafah crossing carrying aid. He said 1 lorry an hour was making it through and the list of "dual purpose" items Israel had was ridiculous. Irish charities sent tents for example and the lorry was turned away because of the tent pegs. Each lorry is thoroughly checked and it seems most are sent away to drive 150km to remove the offending items and come back and try again.

He's a centrist politician, centre right even.

feralunderclass · 18/12/2023 06:39

Thanks for sharing @Toothyfruity .This is an article that talks about the 'dual purpose/use' policy of Israel. The World Bank have called it an "economic warfare" practice.

Why can't Gazans have toilet roll or kiwis?

Efacsen · 18/12/2023 07:10

@Parkingt111 yes saw the press conference coming under fire preventing the doctors from Kamal Adwan from speaking - the health minister from the PA was demanding an enquiry last night so hopefully the attempts to hide the full extent of what happened will be scuppered - there have been so many shocking things done but burying people alive with a bulldozer is so so awful.

Several injured patients were evacuated to Qatar yesterday - patients from Kamal Adwan were supposed to be included on the flight but couldn't go because the ambulances weren't able to collect them

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Efacsen · 18/12/2023 07:29

@braticus Think it was the maternity unit which also contained a childrens ward that was struck at Nasser hospital last night - no hospital is safe from these attacks despite what anyone says

The patient who died was a 13 yr old girl who had already lost a leg, both her parents and many family members in a previous airstrike 'at home' - how's that for being careful and protecting civilian lives to be bombed twice

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braticus · 18/12/2023 09:16

Efacsen · 18/12/2023 07:29

@braticus Think it was the maternity unit which also contained a childrens ward that was struck at Nasser hospital last night - no hospital is safe from these attacks despite what anyone says

The patient who died was a 13 yr old girl who had already lost a leg, both her parents and many family members in a previous airstrike 'at home' - how's that for being careful and protecting civilian lives to be bombed twice

Jesus Christ. There are just no words.

feralunderclass · 18/12/2023 09:22

God rest that poor girl 💔

Elon Levy was on R4 this morning saying that Hamas are making the IDF kill so many so that the world will sympathize with them. You really couldn't make this up.

Thereissomelight · 18/12/2023 10:40

feralunderclass · 18/12/2023 09:22

God rest that poor girl 💔

Elon Levy was on R4 this morning saying that Hamas are making the IDF kill so many so that the world will sympathize with them. You really couldn't make this up.

This is an utterly pathetic argument that I keep hearing (on Mumsnet too).

It’s like an abuser saying to his victim
that it’s her neighbours’ fault he is starving her and her children and beating them to death. He can’t get to the neighbour so he’ll get her instead.

Parkingt111 · 18/12/2023 11:18

@Efacsen I don't think we are going to see the situation getting any better now unless there is a ceasefire. I knew Israel would respond to the Hamas attacks with full force but the attacks on healthcare has truly shocked me.

From hospital buildings, to the compounds, to health care workers, to patients, to ambulances, to maternity units, nothing has been left untouched

Efacsen · 19/12/2023 07:46

Just for completion here as this series of threads was originally about Al Alhi hospital - not felled by a mis-fired JIP rocket weeks ago but besieged and stormed - and now out of action leaving northern gaza without any functioning hospitals

Israeli forces have forced displaced Palestinian civilians sheltering at al-Ahli hospital in Gaza City to evacuate the facility and arrested medical staff, according to reports. Richard Sewell, the dean of the Anglican-run St George’s College in Jerusalem, said most of the hospital’s staff have been detained, while medical sources told Al Jazeera that the hospital is now out of service.

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Efacsen · 19/12/2023 07:46

Just for completion here as this series of threads was originally about Al Alhi hospital - not felled by a mis-fired JIP rocket weeks ago but besieged and stormed - and now out of action leaving northern gaza without any functioning hospitals

Israeli forces have forced displaced Palestinian civilians sheltering at al-Ahli hospital in Gaza City to evacuate the facility and arrested medical staff, according to reports. Richard Sewell, the dean of the Anglican-run St George’s College in Jerusalem, said most of the hospital’s staff have been detained, while medical sources told Al Jazeera that the hospital is now out of service.

Actually I'm wrong - the first thread on 3rd Nov was about Al Shalha hospital being attacked

Sorry

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Efacsen · 19/12/2023 08:44

Update on Al Awda

  • Israeli forces have turned the hospital into a military barrack.
  • They have detained 240 people, including 80 medical staff, 40 patients, and 120 displaced persons inside the hospital.
  • Israeli forces have arrested six hospital staff, including the director of the facility Ahmed Muhanna.
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Parkingt111 · 19/12/2023 10:44

I have just seen this update on sky

A short while ago, we mentioned the Nasser Hospital in southern Gaza has been shelled twice in 48 hours.
At another facility, al Ahli Hospital in Gaza City, Israeli forces carried out a raid overnight.
It left just two doctors, four nurses and two janitors to tend to over 100 seriously wounded patients, according to a pastor at the cathedral that runs the hospital.
The hospital was also left with no running water of electricity.

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