March against antisemitism on Sunday

[SharonEllis]

1.30 pm Royal Courts of Justice to Parliament Square

Sorry, I'll stop. I'm just fed up with reading their absolutely disgusting posts on here. Will ignore from now on.

They deliberately stay up late so their posts won't be deleted immediately. Just report and ignore, no point in engaging with someone who will be deleted by morning. Utter waste of time.

Why would it be deleted have I said something incorrect?

I’ve never actually stayed up late to deliberately post 😵‍💫 mumsnet can verify…

I keep hearing this idea that "antisemitism" means ALL Semites, not ONLY Jewish Semites. It's a way of diluting the horror of anti-Jewish prejudice. I think of it as the same kind of language swerving as "cis-woman." Because there are "trans women" somehow the long standing and significant and precise meaning of "woman" no longer applies. It's using language against us both Jews and women, in these two cases.

I keep hearing this idea that "antisemitism" means ALL Semites, not ONLY Jewish Semites

It's so they can go 'oh you're interested in anti semitism, let's talk about what's happening to the Palestinians who are also semites' and then turn the conversation around to how awful Israel are.

As is their wont.

The police put attendance at 105,000. I stand in awe of their precision. Giving them the benefit of the doubt (dodgy at the best of times) and by assuming that they have rounded to the nearest thousand, that suggests an error of less that 1%. Bloody heck, a moving mass of humanity converging and constantly shifting and they can count to within 1 part in 105. Our coppers must be amazing. Pay rises for the lot of them.

It sounds like you are upset they estimated such a high number.

The bulk of the march was at a standstill for quite a long time at the beginning as there were so many people there. I imagine it wouldn’t be that difficult to perform a fairly accurate headcount at that point with a helicopter, some drones and AI, but I’m no expert.
Sorry some people are upset that Jews of all hues and their allies turned out in massive numbers to defend their existence today. It was very uplifting and necessary.

Your daughter is complete incorrect..firstly semetic actually refers to language not people. There is no such thing as a semetic person..there are semetic languages

Secondly the term was coined specifically for hatred of Jews. Words can mean more than the sum of their parts. Is she going to start renaming gineua pigs as they are neither from guneua nor are they pigs. Hamburgers are not from Hamburg and they don't contain ham.

It's just an attempt of antisemites to deligitimise Jews complaining about antisemitism

I wonder how she's feel about hearing that islamophobia isn't really because phobias are irrational and it's not irrational to be fearful of Muslims. An equally disgusting arguement I've sadly heard in the past in an attempt to minimise the suffering of Muslims too.

Don’t believe everything you read here. BBC and sky have quoted the numbers as between 50-60k. Could be different tomorrow, but currently it’s that.
It’s the organisers of the march that have only suggested there were approx 100k. Not the police. There’s nothing from the police about those numbers. Search it. Dailyfail claim there were 100k and so do Jewish/israeli media.

@quiteoldad Why does it bother you large numbers turned up? You're mocking what is effectively an anti-racism march - why? Do you not see how it's coming across?

How do you deduce that ? You're imagining things.

There is no evidence at all in my post for my being upset about the number of attendees. If you're not sure what I was referring to, then reread it.

What does dismay me though is the presence of Israeli flags.
Star of David? Fine it's the emblem of Judaism, and that's what the march was about, but the Israeli flag represents something far more violent than the Jewish faith.

Heavens above, God give me strength, the two of you, stop seeing things that aren't there.

Let me spell it out in simple terms.
I was commenting on the precision of the numbers given by the police . I have said nothing about their accuracy. Read the flipping post.

How do you deduce that ? You're imagining things.

The disparaging way you talked about the police when you were discussing their estimate suggests that you weren't exactly convinced...

Are you happy there was a huge turnout?

It doesn't bother me that large numbers turned up, In fact I would want there to be large numbers turning up for a march, walk, stagger, stroll, waltz against antisemitism. What I was questioning was how it was tainted by Israeli flags.

A lot London Jews have Israeli family affected by 7/10. It's not the nefarious reason you think it is.

The Mizrahim would like a word…

@25milesfromhome that was just chefs kiss noises

I have said nothing with regard to the size. I was talking about precision.

Alright, when I said giving them benefit of doubt, the benefit of the doubt was that they had rounded to the nearest thousand, which they must have done, because the last three digits of their value is zero.

Put simply, if they were to say that there were 50,001 people there, that would suggest a precision of 1 in 50,001 which is within a 0.002% error. Were they to claim there were 100,000 there, it would be very difficult to calculate their precision. However by stating the extra 5,000 it suggests they can count to to the nearest 1000 within a crowd of 105,000. I was marvelling at that feat. Their accuracy is another matter. Phew.

I don't think it was nefarious, I think it undermined the message.

@quiteoldad OK, let's agree to disagree. Bonne nuit.

@etmoi. Thank you, Bonne nuit a tu too.

Oh my gosh you are a FOOL and I am guessing you’ve never stepped foot in israel with such an ignorant and uneducated statement.

In 2005, 61% of the Israeli population were descendants of Middle Eastern Jews. That figure sits at over 70% now. The ‘Israel’ that was originally founded by the European Zionist movement is no longer.

the majority of Israelis living there today did not arrive out of Zionist longing, but more so because they were massacred and shafted out of their countries. That’s why there are now half a million Yemeni Jews living in Israel to-date! That’s more than the entire British Jewish population in the U.K.

honestly, if you don’t know what you’re talking about you should learn to say nothing. I feel embarrassed on your behalf.

I went on the march yesterday, it is the first march I’ve been on in my fifty-something years. I am not Jewish. So I guess I’m one of the suspected number of non regular activists.

Do the exact numbers really matter? As an attendee it felt like there was a lot of support, which is surely the main thing.

As a practical matter, there’s likely to be a for discrepancy between the number who walked the route and those who stayed for the speeches at the end, it was starting to get a bit dark at 3:30 and I’m not the only one who decided to peel off and head to the train station after arriving at Parliament Square - to avoid the rush and any potential trouble, which tends to occur at the end of the day at marches as far as I can tell from the news reports.