March against antisemitism on Sunday

[SharonEllis]

1.30 pm Royal Courts of Justice to Parliament Square

Weve been over this several times - nobody can control the perceptions of people acting in bad faith.

Thank you to everyone who ignored the troll & kept the thread on topic! Sorry, I was as bad as anyonecin responding to their nonsense. I posted on my various social channels wondering what the reception would be. I feel heartened by the positive responses, including from people I wouldn't have expected, so, I hope yesterday's positivity gives us all some hope!

Yes, by the time Tom Tugendhat was speaking there was a lot of milling about and as people had travelled some had to get on. I left around 4. The number will have been estimated near the middle I expect when a march is at its peak.

I went yesterday. I am very concerned about the rise in anti-Jewish sentiment and I want to support our Jewish friends and neighbours. Many of the Jewish people I know have been very vocal in their condemnation of the Israeli govt over the years, yet they are increasingly having to suppress their own identity to feel safe in the UK.

@quiteoldad I think YOU are trying to undermine the message.

I don't see the obsession with numbers although I can see why certain posters are doing it. Is it annoying you?

Truth is important though.

Right so much like most of the posts on here give it time and the truth will out.
It happened yesterday.
And all the quotes of numbers were on news sources (bar al jeezera where it never happened) Goes to show you can't believe everything you read.
It just seems like lots of being happy about an event which was a brilliant success seems to get on people's wicks. Which is strange to me...

@Stomacharmeleon I suppose some people love a conspiracy!

Personally, I think it’s more the actually words some have been saying and writing that shows their unequivocal support for Hamas and the October 7th atrocity.

And I wonder if those who object to the Israeli flag being flown on Sunday also object to the Palestinian flag being flown at marches?

But this afternoon's march was not a Solidarity With Israel march. It was against antisemitism. Israel should not have been brought into it, by doing so, it blurred the message

Comments like this just make me realise how much the march was needed.

The racist atrocity against Jews in Israel, and the appalling reactions to it, showed Just how widespread anti-semitism is. Just how dehumanized Israeli-Jews are. The silence of so many feminist groups, so many anti-racist groups, show just how dehumanized an Israeli Jews are.

No wonder some wanted to show their support for Israeli people on an anti-Semitic march! That makes sense.

Comments like this just make me realise how much the march was needed.

The racist atrocity against Jews in Israel, and the appalling reactions to it, showed Just how widespread anti-semitism is. Just how dehumanized Israeli-Jews are. The silence of so many feminist groups, so many anti-racist groups, show just how dehumanized an Israeli Jews are.

No wonder some wanted to show their support for Israeli people on an anti-Semitic march! That makes sense

But people marching in support of Palestine and the abuses the Palestinians have suffered doesn’t make sense to you?

@Reallifelurker "But people marching in support of Palestine and the abuses the Palestinians have suffered doesn’t make sense to you?"

No it does not make sense. The protests for Palestine should be focused against Hamas when they are being focused against Israel. Wrong target, and I choose my words carefully. Iran via Hamas is causing the issues and should be loudly protested.

If the aid that was sent to Palestine had been spent on Palestinians the state could have moved to be another self sustaining tourist / manufacturing economy. But it suits the anti Israel / Jewish movement to keep Palestine in a state of poverty and make Israel the bad guys, when they are trying to do what any Govt should do and improve the life of their citizens. Which by the way is what Hamas as the Govt of Palestine should be doing for their citizens, instead of living in abesntia and enriching themselves.

What’s really refreshing with this march was being able to see people’s faces. No masks, no shawls, no hidden faces.

thanks @Motorina for LBC story above on banning. Good to have some unbiased insight into issue.

No it does not make sense. The protests for Palestine should be focused against Hamas when they are being focused against Israel. Wrong target, and I choose my words carefully

Not disputing the evil Hamas had done. However the Israelis (or at least their government and military) are also guilty of abuses against the Palestinians.
I know it seems in poor taste to point that out after the attack on Israel last month but it’s true.

I don’t think anyone can kid themselves the Israeli government give a monkeys about how many Palestinian civilians they kill.
If people don’t protest against it then the governments of other country’s will turn a blind eye to it and if they do who will make Israel stop?
It’s good that the march on Sunday happened and I hope the large turnout was reassuring for anyone worried about the recent antisemitic incidents but the marches for Palestinians needed to happen too.

If Hamas are in absentia, why is Israel currently killing thousands of people in Gaza?

I know this thread was supposed to be about a march against anti-semitism, which would have been fine. But there seems to be confusion as to what the march actually was about (and how many people attended).

@Thereissomelight the hierarchy is in absentia as you well know.

I am confused by your confusion. The aims of the March were clear. And I am not sure why the attendance is bothering you so much?

Small things matter to small minds 😂

I really do need to figure out how the quoting on here works, but for now

In response to your post @Humdingerydoo
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I disagree. The march wasn't in response to the regular Saturday marches, and it wasn't because of the conflict. It was because of the rise in anti-Semitism as a result of the conflict and the Saturday marches.
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seems clear to me that that isn't the case. I got an eventbrite thing about the march from the organisers where they clearly state in their rallying call for the march.

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We have witnessed mass criminality, including glorification of terrorism, support for banned terrorist organisations such as Hamas, and incitement to racial or religious hatred against Jews.

Marches have coursed through our capital regularly featuring genocidal chants, Hamas-style headbands, antisemitic placards, calls for jihad and the globalisation of intifada, songs about slaughtering Jews, and Islamist flags.

Even the marchers who did not engage in this conduct still knowingly and readily marched alongside those who did. They are just as complicit.

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Pretty uncompromising interpretation from them there. And a blatant tarring of anyone who went on any of those other marches.

I repeat, they say:

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They are just as complicit.

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Don't see how that position helps a move to dialogue and peace.

@BumWad sorry that was meant for you. Am going for a lie down and a strong cuppa that's twice I have done it.

@FordAnglia that wasn't on my eventbrite perhaps you could post it? Would be curious to see?