March against antisemitism on Sunday

[SharonEllis]

1.30 pm Royal Courts of Justice to Parliament Square

Bumwad,
It being deleted saved me the trouble of writing how crass and unhelpful it was.

Make of the following what you will;

Attendance; as of 22.00 Nov 26 with source, where given.

Sky (organiser’s estimate) 60,000
Reuters 50,000
BBC (police) 105,000
Saudi Gazette (organisers) 60,000
Times of Israel (unconfirmed report) 100,000
Jewish chronicle (estimate) 105,000
Channel 4 “Thousands”
Jerusalem post 60,000
Evening standard “Thousands”
AP "Tens of thousands"

I was just watching it on bbc. Didn’t see them quote that figure. They said organisers of the march estimated that number but bbc quoted lower? Think the actual figure was 50-60k that the journalist quoted.
Was a large and peaceful march though, apart from Tommy Robinson making a guest appearance.

I disagree. The march wasn't in response to the regular Saturday marches, and it wasn't because of the conflict. It was because of the rise in anti-Semitism as a result of the conflict and the Saturday marches.

It wasn't controversial. It wasn't political. It was against anti-Semitism.

Obviously you and the BBC disagree with me, and that's fine, I just wanted to point out my take on it all.

All Information was taken from websites.
BBC TV news may have been working with different values from other sources.
Interesting to note that Al Jazeera does not even mention it, though the death of Terry Venables does features on their site. AJ used to be quite good.

105k? Unlikely. No aerial shots either.

Very odd not to understand why a march against Jew hatred would include mostly people who supported the existence of the world's only homeland for Jews created after the Holocaust. Dobyou not realise that, by the nature of the diaspora most British Jews have connections in Israel?

As I said before, If I carry a Union Jack, does it mean I support the current UK government? Of course not. It wouldn't occur to anyone to think that was the case. There will have been a huge diversity of opinion on politics how Israel should respond to Hamas's declaration of war & brutal attack on civilians etc etc. The march was to show solidarity with Jews in the face of growing antisemitism. Which, I think it did and I was delighted to be a part of it.

The police estimated 105k. There were helicoptors above the whole time and there was drone footage too.

Well done to them all on a massive peaceful march. Wish I could have gone.

Genuinely WHY were there so many Israeli flags at this supposed anti semitic march?

Your line of questioning is extremely tiresome

I also found Vanessa Feltz’s placard rather ironic… did you guys?

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@Bumwad there really weren’t many. I fewer than 5/10 % people were carrying anything. I didn’t see any problematic signs either. People really were there against anti semitism.
https://x.com/JNkappers/status/1728786509317259694?s=20

@BumWad care to elaborate? Or are you always this vague...

My DD (aged 29) has had an ardent argument with me tonight which I am not sure what to make of and was not expecting. We were discussing the anti-antisemitic march. She was very insistent that the word "antisemitic" does not in fact mean anti-Jewish, as the Palestinians are equally as semitic as the Jews. She got very heated about it and accused me of being a "dinosaur" by interpreting the word antisemitism as meaning anti-Jewish, as Palestinians are "also semitic" and everyone now understands this.. I said that as far as i understood the widely understood meaning of the word antisemitism was anti-Jewish. She became quite patronising, telling me that that is an old person's definition and that the widely accepted definition on social media now (ie the up to date definition) was not that that the semitic races include the Palestinians and so "antisemitic" also meant anti-Palestinian. If I would actually go on social media, she said (as opposed to hanging around on Mumsnet and "old people's space" Facebook) I would realise i was completely out if step. I stopped arguing at this point as she got so heated and angry with me for not understanding the current zeitgeist. I don't know how to respond to this, and what she even means by it. Any ideas? I felt seriously angry but can't identify exactly why.

Ah yes that’s just the front Lamelie, I’ve seen videos of many many Israeli flags.

One thing I’ve noticed is that there were no black, brown/ethnic minorities in the march for anti-semitism compared to the pro-Palestine/call for ceasefire marches which have had a much more diverse participation.

Sorry that that should have said that she said the semitic races also included Palestinians.

Your daughter is correct @angsty

@BumWad

@BumWad I think you are just being goady now. There was a mixture of all nationalities there. So you didn't attend.... but you checked the placards? Checked the amount of flags? And are now concerned about the minority situation?
Before you mention it there were rainbow flags there as well.... in case you were concerned.

As to why people were or weren’t there you’d have to ask them. I’m not Jewish and I was there.

Tell your dd to open a dictionary instead of fucking TikTok as a source of reliable information.

The only people I've seen trying to blur/widen the definition of antisemitism are those who want to use it as a cover for being antisemitic.

@angsty
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism
@BumWad with that final post I suspect you have an agenda. Bore off.

How could you notice this if you weren't there? Jews are an thnic minority plus there were black & brown people. There were Indians, carrying Indian flags, there were Kurds, there were Iranian dissidents.

Flags, we've covered that.

You are trolling now.All you are doing is proving why the march was needed, and people like you only strengthen our resolve. And our spirits won't be dampened.

For SharonEllis

Antisemitism is wrong. No argument.
Israel has many things wrong with it.

The marchers, by allowing themselves to have amongst them, flag bearers of a nation that has carried out an overly vengeful and viscious retaliation, have weakened their case.

They should have been told to fold up their flags.

And no, I don't fly a Union flag because I don't believe my country has behaved well.... in any number of areas. Also because blind nationalism and standing under flags is the casue of too much conflict in the world.

I accept she may be correct. But what does that then mean? So the anti-antisemitism march was also a march in support of Palestinians? While I think that sounds good, from my (and i suppose my daughter's) perspective as non-Jewish, non Palestinian, non semitic people by any definition, who are interested in human rights and peace, what does that mean to Jewish people?