Freedom of speech you say?

[Ohlalalalala]

So it's OK for famous/ less famous people to back one side but not OK for others to back another side?

These are just a few examples of how pressures/ firings are directed at those criticising Israel. Is this normal? What the heck is happening? Is this to silence anyone from voicing what they think is the truth?

BBC News - Melissa Barrera: Actress fired from Scream 7 over Israel-Gaza posts
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-67494374

Susan Sarandon
https://deadline.com/2023/11/susan-sarandon-pro-palestinian-remarks-uta-dropped-1235632398/

Agent Maha Dakhil
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/tom-cruise-agent-maha-dakhil-palestine-b2451581.html

I would have understood if they imposed a kind of blanket gag order on all actors/ celebrities not to discuss the conflict.

But!

This is happening while hundreds of others publically supported Israel and were instead celebrated.

McCarthyite witch hunt, I say.

Are you deliberately missing the point or what?

Seriously

well seems like the mum of one of the child hostages as well as Israels defense correspondent agree with some of the mnes

They took them hostage, kept them in a tunnel for 50 days, split up families, kidnapped children whose parents they had murdered in front of them, filmed propaganda videos telling them to wave for the cameras. And now apparently have handed the baby hostage over to some other terrorist group.

So I guess we'll have to differ on the definition of 'treating them well'.

Take you’ve not even bothered to click on the links I’ve posted.

And neither have you.

They just don't seem to have the cognitive skills to understand what is happening or just don't want to admit it because is doesn't suit the good guys and bad guys narrative they like.

I frankly don't actually care why the post such ridiculous opinions or only one narrative, everyone sees what is happening. Just popped on to agree with Giraffe.

I did.

Nothing said there negates what I wrote, so I'm not sure what your point is.

You do know that makes about as much sense as your opinion of Hamas don't you?

No idea what you are on about

Even-handed it is not.

That may well be because of the dispoportiate response of the Israeli government rather than an appetitite for the distruction of Jews/Israelis/Zionists/political Zionists by Mumsnet users.

Just maybe?

It is possible to see what Hamas did as abhorrent whilst still understanding the context in which it occurred. It’s not the same as saying what Hamas did is forgivable. If a child has been a victim of domestic violence, they may make them more likely to be violent in the future when threatened. It doesn’t make that violence forgivable - they would still be punished.

I don’t think what the IDF is doing in Gaza is forgivable given the vast number of innocent children and adults who gave died, the amount of Gazan infrastructure destroyed, but I understand the context in which they are doing it. They don’t want a repeat of 7/10- but the IDF and Israeli government should still be held to account for war crimes that many are concerned they may have committed.

So you have both clicked on it but haven’t bothered to read what is written in it or watched the video.

I just had the same problem

Can't tell you point or misses the point

A lot of that going around lately

Must be the next pandemic or something

I read them. I'm not of the opinion that giving someone sweets makes up for taking them hostage, or for murdering their family and friends.

It is possible to see what Hamas did as abhorrent whilst still understanding the context in which it occurred.

Indeed it is. That's not what I'm talking about.

It is possible yes and most of us do

However some users do not and constantly do not

That’s your opinion and that’s fine. That’s not the opinion of the mum whose child has been captive for weeks and is thanking those that took care of her for those weeks.

Yep

However the way this works is some users now have to paint you out to be the one in the wrong. Therefore they will likely now try and put words into your mouth or claim you have suggested things that you haven't

(Reckon you have been here long enough to know this already. So am narrating the debate 😁)

Exactly! Like when a poster told me
“You do know that makes about as much sense as your opinion of Hamas don't you?”

seems like the poster knew exactly what my opinion was about Hamas! Trying to picture me as a pro Hamas supporter !

oh the irony

Perhaps we should take a poll of all the hostages and their families?

Or maybe we should leave them alone to deal with their trauma?

Because I'm not going to be convinced that sweets makes up for what Hamas did.

Again, those are not my words. If a mum decides to post that after her daughter has been released , then I’m nobody to tell her no you shouldn’t be doing this

if the Israel defense correspondent decides to say Hamas took care of the hostages I’m nobody to tell him don’t say that.

Think it is just that most people have been reading your posts for weeks now

What we post paints a picture of us all. Therefore maybe they are going on that.

I haven’t seen this on MN. If I dig down into the comments/ replies on the tweets that come into my feed- and most of them are about Gaza, you get the some extreme views. However most sane people don’t say that Israel deserved 7/10.

You can’t use comments by some extremists to shut down legitimate concerns and debate.

Treating them well would have been not taking hostages, sending them home, not splitting up families, not murdering their friends and families, not handing babies over to other terrorist organisations, not still holding them as political pawns.

This is pretty basic stuff.

You can’t use comments by some extremists to shut down legitimate concerns and debate.

I'm not, I'm using comments by people on MN to say that people who say that 'what Hamas did was abhorrent goes without saying' are incorrect.

To be fair it takes a special kind of logic to be convinced of that

You are obviously not blessed with that kind of logic Giraffe (Thank G-d)

Sorry - are you saying that any criticism of Israeli action should be prefaced by what Hamas did was abhorrent?