Israel has bombed the front of a hospital / 2

[Readingallnight]

Discussion re Israel’s bombing of hospitals, infrastructure and residential buildings

I’d really like to think they do.
We can’t assume everyone is the same just because of the country they come from.

Bbc has managed to get in contact with a doctor in Al shifa hospital
He seems so angry and frustrated
When asked about aid that IDF have brought he said I feel like refusing. They have attacked us for 40 days and now offering saline drops
It's sickening
6 premature babies have now passed away and not only do they not have fuel but no longer oxygen either

The doctor in Al-Shifa that the BBC has spoken to has also said the hospital is without power, oxygen and water.
Dr Ahmed Mokhallalati said six premature babies died in recent days and that he’s worried that the others will die “one by one” due to a lack of oxygen and lack of power.
He said essential surgeries were carried out on Tuesday with only light sedation and patients were “screaming in pain”. No surgeries could be carried out on Wednesday.
Dr Mokhallalati said doctors were unable to help one patient with burns yesterday, due to a lack of equipment including ventilators, and had to just “let him die“.
Asked if Israeli troops had brought medical aid to the hospital, he responded: “If it was up to me, I would refuse [any aid]. They are killing us for 40 days and they want to offer me saline drips.”

Thank you @Parkingt111 . I would be furious if I were a Dr or patient there.

Why is there shrapnel inside a hospital

Why are they targeting ambulances and cars. Emergency vehicles needed by injured people.

An ambulance is not a Hamas fighter!

Come on Hamas.

Just release all of the hostages already.

Then it wouldn't make any real difference. I'd be slightly more inclined to the 2nd person as they show more balance. I'm suspicious of anyone who is solely focused on one side only, I think it does prevent solutions and compromises being found. There are innocent victims on both sides and both deserve being remembered

@Readingallnight everything and everyone is a legitimate target for the IDF.

Negotiations are ongoing re hostage release.
Picked this article up earlier today

That’s certainly what I was seeing on public posts last night

@Readingallnight he or she (Jupiter's storm) is just trying to derail the thread
They have just posted on another thread how this one Is full of anti semitism

They were called out on a thread yesterday that I was browsing by several MNs and disappeared.
If that’s what keeps them going.? I’m all for debate and opinions, as we all are, but I think we ve got used to the tone of some. So I don’t engage anymore.

I find it funny to be honest…….

Ps @Parkingt111 if you read the attached post you will see it’s not Hamas holding up hostage negotiations.

That’s why I thought evidence was required in this particular case 😉

Correction. Anything that the IDF feel has Hamas operatives or weapons is a legitimate target for the IDF.
It's my opinion that thus far, they have targeted everything they legitimately consider to be a strand of Hamas that they must remove.

All Hamas need to do is release the hostages - this is what started it. Their poor country is suffering from their actions and government.

@Parkingt111 I don't think it's antisemitic (the only post I thought was concluded Israel should move which is ridiculous. How many Arab states are there?) and I don't agree with a lot of you. There is a lot of emotive one upmanship... who can say the most emotive comment on repeat.
You are one of the rare posters that looks at both sides and how to move forward. To compromise. See the bigger picture.
As surely that's what these threads are about. Because I would bet most of here had no idea of Middle Eastern history, could pick the area out on the map or knows anyone that lives there. I don't remember dodging the threads about the situation months ago?
Lots of posters can't see the possible issue with posting things with 'Hamas health authority' across them.
Misinformation is there all the time and it pays to cast a critical eye.
The one thing I do agree with @Rammer on is that the securing of the hospital should not take long at all. If it's full of civilians, the Comatose, the babies...and doctors that have a gun toting terrorist sat on their shoulder. Because that's the info coming out of Gaza....
Whether this happens remains to be seen because there is well documented fighting.... so the IDF have to be fighting someone?

I remain ever hopeful that the hostages will be released.....

@Stomacharmeleon I agree with you on the Israel should move post. It makes more sense to find a two state solution than telling the Palestinians or Israelis to move. To do that past and current issues need to be looked at

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12752641/BBC-forced-apologise-newsreader-incorrectly-reported-Israel-targeting-medical-teams-Arab-speakers-raid-Hamas-base-hospital.html

But
why bomb ambulances today outside the hospital. An ambulance is not a Hamas fighter
But
Hamas are on board to release hostages, as it stands ( a few hours ago) Israel aren’t .
But
why bomb the flour silos earlier today. Palestinians source of food most of which was from UN aid.

I am surprised you would say ' is that's what keeps them going' when someone is writing on a serious situation and you don't know their history. They could be anyone?
Seems rather a simplistic thing to say....

Also @Readingallnight you do not know who is holding up the release of All the hostages as that was what Netanyahu wanted. Not drips and drabs. People not left behind. You are not in Qatar I believe and not sat around a negotiating table so just because you chose this afternoon.... when you not doing something more meaningful.... to argue semantics doesn't make it true. Don't be so trite with peoples lives. To some it means something...

I agree it’s not all the hostages, 50? I think was last reported.
There was a discussion 50 hostages for 5 days ceasefire, then it changed to 3 days ceasefire.
That negotiation failed.
Now its 50 Israeli hostages for ????? Palestinian hostages plus a 3 day ceasefire.
Qatar have confirmed these negotiations as previously posted.
I am not in Qatar, I am currently in Israel.

“IDF soldiers have already found weapons and other terror infrastructure. In the last hour, we saw concrete evidence that Hamas terrorists used the Shifa hospital as a terror headquarter,” the official said, declining to be named. He did not specify what had been found, but said the evidence would be presented later.

Hamas denied the claim, which it said in a statement was “nothing but a continuation of the lies and cheap propaganda, through which [Israel] is trying to give justification for its crime aimed at destroying the health sector in Gaza.”

Ok i should have worded that better.
There has been international concern in the way the IDF have conducted this war regarding the amount of casualties aswell as destruction of civiilan infrastructure and I don't think they are trying to limit harm on civilians. The figures speak for themselves

I agree that Hamas most definitely should release the hostages, who are innocent. I don't see how that would be possible without a ceasefire as it increases the chances of the hostages being harmed whilst attempting to leave Gaza
I also believe that Israel should release all minors and innocent who are held in prison without charge

Previous post by Professor of international Law at Queens University noted Israel has a long history of Presenting unverifiable evidence.

They have been in the hospital now over 16hours or so. They said they were pinpointing specific areas in the hospital. I’m not convinced it takes that long to present evidence.

International communities and Aid Agencies wanted independent verification. We haven’t had that and, unfortunately, we never will now.
This is unfortunate for Israel. Had they allowed independent verification they would be seen in a better light, by some.

Not that that would ever justify killing civilians…of course.

Yes all prisoners should be released but Hamas should release all hostages taken on 7th October before anything like this can be agreed.