Israel has bombed the front of a hospital / 2

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Discussion re Israel’s bombing of hospitals, infrastructure and residential buildings

@Efacsen @Stomacharmeleon thank you

This is disgusting. Again do you see the words used. It's not Hamas. It's burn Gaza. Don't give them water

From the Guardian
Nissim Vaturi, deputy speaker of the Knesset and a member of the ruling Likud party, said Israel is being “too humane” in a post on social media on Friday, adding:
Burn Gaza now no less! Don’t allow fuel in, don’t allow water in until the hostages are returned back!

This minister had a tantrum after Israel said they would allow some fuel in

just seen the tweet is gone

@EasterIssland he's deleted it? Hopefully because he realises what a monster he sounds like.
I didn't see on twitter, but saw it mentioned in the guardian
As I said before there's no pro palestine propaganda needed. The government are constantly exposing themselves as they are so full of hatred

I get what you are saying. I really do. Afghastian, Iraq post 9/11 etc.

But I don’t think world leaders have actually clocked how much has changed since then. They would never get away with the Afghanistan Iraq invasion now.

I only realised this recently when I was watching a dramatised tv series Five days at memorial on the hospitals left abandoned in Hurricane Katrina. I remember that hurricane, it feels like yesterday. And I was so perplexed how that had happened in this day and age, how could they not get support. How could they not communicate and show people what was happening.

Because it wasn’t yesterday. It was 2005. We didn’t have smartphones and video. SO much has changed since then. We really are a global community now. Every country, poor and rich, we all have video and internet in real time. The most we have from Afghanistan is one grainy leaked video from our intelligence of them slaughtering civilians. It’s awful to think what really happened there now, I don’t know and we never will. But there’s no way if that happened today that we would all be so in the dark.

So they are going to have a reality check. They really are. Our government are behaving like absolute fools. Stuck in a previous decades and they don’t even realise they are so wrapped up in their own party politics.

It's very telling that his rage is directed towards the people of Gaza, rather than Hamas. I suppose he doesn't realise the hostages might need water too.

Idf has killed the director and doctor of a hospital

Apologies. It’s still there but with a note saying it goes against Twitter guidelines My mistake

@EasterIssland ahh so it wasn't out of shame. The issue many people don't realise is most of these comments talking about destroying Gaza are from prominent politicians. Not just some random loonies on the street.
Like this politician is The deputy head of Israel’s legislature
The members of the government constantly use genocidal rhetoric and rarely get called out on it which shows the level of general acceptance

I'm surprised UK politicians don't seem to object to some of the extreme statements from Israeli politicians. They all seem to act as if it's perfectly normal. Can you imagine if European politicians went about demanding sieges on neighbouring states, suggesting the population should leave, nuking them or attacking them as a tribe out of some religious text? There would be alarm about whether such politicians were fit for post.

@AintaAnna Probably true, although the statistics I've seen for amount of bombs dropped, children, journalists and aid workers killed and amount of deaths per day outweigh any conflict I know of in my lifetime. I don't know if the elements of holding a population in a small space and placing them under siege is so common either. War has always been awful, and the UK has been part of some terrible wars, but I suppose our media have sanitised the information and as @Artwhatttt comments - we now see the reality of it. If the public had known what was going on in previous wars there may well have been similar outcry. But I suppose the politicians involved in wars have always known, and as you say count the actions of Israel's government as par for the course.

Tbh I don’t know if politicians even do realise. In the past I doubt there briefings included video footage. Even now? Does Rishi and Biden even go on Twitter? Because right now I can’t scroll for more than 2 minutes without seeing something beyond horror. Just 10 minutes ago I saw a 2 year old with no legs. And you have Suella writing letters and Rishi more preoccupied with Rwanda. What the fuck is going on? What on earth is actually going on in their heads.

Now that the IDF are in full control of Al Shifa hospital why are they not re-supplying at least part of it with diesel for the generators?

Its not going to fall into Hamas hands [the supposed reason for the blockade] now because they are there to stop that and they are presumably able to securely supply their own forces with fuel.

Perhaps too much of the hospital infra-structure is destroyed now to make it possible tho' there are generators donated by Russia waiting in Egypt Even if there was just enough electricity for the NICU babies, dialysis unit, lifts etc?

Destroying the hospital is just as important to the IDF as finding hostages and rooting out Hamas as seems to be the case with many of the other hospitals which have ceased to function but haven't received as much publicity as al shifa

Israel apparently considers all government buildings as 'Hamas assets' rather than belonging to the people of Gaza so destroying hospitals and primary care facilities [same for schools, universities etc] are a clearly stated intention - with or without Hamas actually hiding in them or using them as patients. Removing a nations healthcare like this is surely not 'permitted'??

Part of the big push for increasing humanitarian aid [posted yesterday] is to set up a large field hospital in northern gaza and supply aid via a maritime route from Cyprus [EU and UK - not the UN and uncertainty about how to get the aid into gaza] And also to open another border crossing - not clear if it's the one between Israel and Egypt east of the Rafah crossing who's name I forget where Israel security checks aid going into Gaza which causes major delays

Mark Regev spokesperson for the Israeli government finally answers the question many people have asked. Israel would not bomb civilian infrastructure in Israel if Hamas were hiding inside using Israeli civilians as human shields, they would send in special forces. In Gaza the only way to target Hamas is to bomb the hell out of it.

Also we cannot trust the numbers of causalities reported in Gaza and we have no idea how thousands of children there have died.

This interview is a car crash; the arrogance of the Israeli government, or at least this man, is very obvious.

Breaking news on Al Jazeera

Al Shifa hospital given 1 hour to evacuate - director of hospital says it's not possible

Again!!?? Did they get it wrong the last time ?

• ‘A great state of panic and fear’ at al-Shifa Hospital
• Youmna ElSayed

• Reporting from Khan Younis, southern Gaza

• Our source at al-Shifa Hospital has been telling us that there’s a great state of panic and fear among the patients, medical staff and families [following Israeli army’s order to evacuate the medical complex within one hour].
• They consider this decision, this order to be an impossible decision to m because they have no ambulances functioning to take that great number of patients to the south.

The Israeli army has not provided them with any other solutions, with any means of transportation, with any fuel for ambulances or for any cars to transfer those patients, premature babies, displaced families to the south as they were ordered to do.

When this same incident happened with al-Quds Hospital, doctor Bashar Murad asked the Israeli army many times to provide ambulances, transportation means, to at least provide fuel so that they can use buses to transport the patients, but there was no answer from the Israeli army; they ordered them to take the patients on foot.

The doctors in the end, had to evacuate those patients in hospital beds and push them through the streets to the other side.

But at al-Shifa Hospital, the situation is a bit different because there are a lot more patients – over 300. According to our medical sources, most of them are in critical condition and they cannot make the trip on beds to the south

AL JAZEERA - sorry about the formatting and source

This is sick. Is the world just going to let them get away with this? It seems so, sadly.

@EasterIssland impossible 3 weeks ago and things have only got worse since then

At least 3 weeks ago there was electricity for the lifts in the 6 storey blocks and more fuel/ambulances

As I've said before it's evacuate/empty the hospital not safely evacuate patients and staff

The UN is urging Israel to allow an investigation into conflicting claims about Al-Shifa Hospital, which Israel alleges Hamas is using for military purposes. Israel haven’t agreed.

More from Al Jazeera on the 'evacuation'

‘Appalling scenes’ outside al-Shifa hospital, emergency supervisor says Omar Zaqout says he and other people have been forced to leave the hospital by Israeli forces, and that scenes outside the facility were “appalling”.
“We were told to leave through al-Wahda road. Dozens of dead bodies are scattered on the road,” he told Al Jazeera. “Many homeless people who cannot walk are left out in the open.”
Zaquot said the water supply at al-Shifa has been out for more than a week, leading to what he called an “absence of hygiene and cleanliness”.
“The electrical power has been out more than three weeks. Infants and newborn babies are left without oxygen. It is nothing but a medieval cave,” he said.

They know it's impossible they're only covering themselves for future scrutiny "we warned them" "we told them to evacuate"

‘Horrible, unprecedented, humiliating’: Doctor describes evacuation order from al-Shifa

Mounir al-Barsh, a doctor at the al-Shifa hospital, gives his account of what happened as the Israeli army ordered the evacuation within the hour of the medical facility.

The Israeli army called at around 9am [7:00 GMT], warning that all those leaving had to wave a white handkerchief and walk in a single line. “They were humiliated by soldiers all along the road,” al-Bahsar said

There are about 120 patients who were left behind as they cannot move, he said. To assist them, the hospital’s director, four other doctors and a small group of nurses remained. They were promised that a UN delegation would have been dispatched at around 11am [9:00 GMT] to take care of those remaining behind.

“Many of the patients were put on wheelchairs or rolling beds. Family members were forced to carry their wounded children or parents themselves. “These are horrible, unprecedented scenes,” he said..

It is like every interview I've seen with Israeli government and spokespeople. They are so aggressive, shout you down, demand you change your wording and completely dismissive, even slightly gleeful, of the children they've killed, it's chilling. I can't watch them. If these are the kind of politicians leading Israel I feel somewhat sorry for Israelis they must be very controlled