Israel has bombed the front of a hospital / 2

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Discussion re Israel’s bombing of hospitals, infrastructure and residential buildings

Now they’re warning they will bomb the south - where are people meant to go to?

Israel are also saying any fuel they let in can’t be for the hospitals! Netanyahu is a criminal!

apple.news/ASf0TftijQQKBvprTacB4oA

That's an interesting article in the guardian.

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I was undecided about a ceasefire but this clusterfuck has changed my mind.

Not sure what the answer to the situation is for Israel but this isn’t it. Even if they managed to wipe out Hamas I feel that they have brought further violence upon Israelis with this conflict anyway.

That's an old article with an ex prime ministers opinion not fact @EasterIssland

It’s from today
https://www.euronews.com/2023/11/17/israeli-ex-pm-claims-hamas-command-centre-is-in-the-south-of-gaza-not-al-shifa-hospital

regarding whether it’s opinion or fact … taking into account that they thought it was in the previous hospital and it’s been proof it wasn’t … was that opinion or fact?

Maybe a bit of good news? If it's true, If it happens. And what's caused the shift?

Israel: 'No limitation' on humanitarian aid in Gaza

Israel promised on Friday there would be “no limitation” on aid requested for Gaza by the United Nations, an apparent concession to international pressure and warnings that its iron grip on the war-torn Palestinian territory will lead to starvation and disease.

Earlier Friday, Israel’s national security adviser, Tzachi Hanegbi, said the country’s war cabinet had agreed to allow two tanker trucks of fuel to enter the Gaza Strip each day – a quantity he said was “very minimal” and allowed only for allowed for a communications system and water and sewage services.

At a media briefing later in the day, however, Israel appeared to be loosening its position, a defense ministry official pledging: “Every list we get from the UN will be delivered”.

Colonel Elad Goren of the ministry’s Coordination of Government Activities in the Territories (Cogat) department, did not specifically mention fuel, or that Israel would allow more than two tankers in per day.

But he spoke of plans to increase aid more broadly, including setting up field hospitals to treat wounded Gazans:

We will increase the capacity of the humanitarian convoys and trucks as long as there is a need. Every list that we get from the UN will be delivered. We will check it and it will enter Gaza, so it’s up to the UN to give us those lists.

And if there is a need for 400 trucks, tomorrow there will be 400 trucks. We are not limiting this issue. There is no limitation.

According to Reuters, Israel has promised to allow in aid in the past, but notes Goren’s remarks appeared to signal a shift in tone after UN agencies warned that humanitarian conditions for 2.3m Gazans were rapidly deteriorating.

The hospitals that Hamas has agreed today have had hostages in them. Not unaccompanied I imagine....

@Efacsen it would definitely be good if it materialises and they stick to their word. The pressure mounting is having some sort of effect atleast

There still hasn't been any updats on Al shifa hospital on main stream news. Does anyone know what is happening?

This is from the Guardian regarding the IDF footage. The full article is sceptical to say the least
Even the videos produced so far have raised questions under scrutiny. A BBC analysis found the footage of an IDF spokesperson showing the apparent discovery of a bag containing a gun behind an MRI scanning machine, had been taped hours before the arrival of the journalists to whom he was supposedly showing it.
In a video shown later, the number of guns in the bag had doubled. The IDF claimed its video of what it found at the hospital was unedited, filmed in a single take, but the BBC analysis found it had been edited

@Stomacharmeleon where is that article from please? I haven't seen any updates on main stream news sites of this. Thank you

@Parkingt111 I've just posted exactly the same quote from the Guardian on another thread

It seems to be from the excellent Ros Atkins piece on twitter which I don't know how to post here but definitely worth looking at

BBC News - Ros Atkins on... Do the rules of war protect hospitals?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67431820

Interview with British consultant plastic surgeon who yesterday walked out of Al Ahli hospital leaving 500 wounded to die, because they were out of anaesthetic agents and there was nothing they could do to treat them. Heartbreaking.

Surgeon flees Gaza City's last functioning hospital after anaesthetics run out | Reuters

@Parkingt111 It's a different one to the one which @Ohlalalalala has just posted [also very good]

The one I'm referring to is from today

I think the communication black out makes it impossible to co-ordinate, and also we will never know if it's delivered since the people inside Gaza can't communicate with the outside world. I find it rather glib.

I must admit I'm quite sceptical - so many 'bit of good news' stories just evaporate on closer examination and I'm concerned why the big shift and think there is much else going on too

It does say fuel for telecoms - if it happens

@Parkingt111 Reuters

I know, but they seem to cut comms when they want and generally I'm not sure that even if they do let 2 trucks in that will be enough for a communication system. There has been a shift, but it's hard to know what's going on. Ministers said their invasion of Gaza will go on for some time, so perhaps they are just performing a balancing act of not outraging the world too much, while carrying on with whatever plan they have.

@Parkingt111 posted 17th November 4.55pm

Palestinian telecoms firm says service partially restored

Paltel says the service restoration in some areas of the Gaza Strip comes after “a limited quantity of fuel” was delivered by UNRWA to operate the company’s main generators.

Al Jazeera

Bernie Sanders@SenSanders

There is a horrific humanitarian disaster in Gaza. Israel must stop the bombing now and allow for massive amounts of humanitarian aid, including fuel, to reach those who need it. Congress cannot pass a supplemental spending bill that allows these actions to continue.

If only Congress would stop the spending for this awful war

Why can't he just say the word ceasefire?

IDK it's in the context of a debate about additional spending so maybe that's why he's put it that way?