Placards from marches in London (and graffitti) Part 2 **Title editedby MNHQ**

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This topic needs to be kept open especially as now grafitti has been found close to the route taken by Pro Palestinian marchers:

https://news.sky.com/story/police-actively-looking-for-individuals-over-antisemitic-signs-at-pro-palestinian-march-13005665

This is absolutely abhorrently anti-semitic.

'While the demonstration remained largely peaceful, images have circulated on social media showing some protesters carrying the signs'. As the article referenced shows the protest attended by at least 300,000 was largely peaceful.
Not sure what this obsession is by some posters (like the title on this thread) to try and paint the whole protest as 'anti Semitic' due to a minority. These people are being dealt with as per the law.

Well the police seem to think hate crime from Protesters is an issue after the last march. Plus most government ministers feel it is an issue and the majority of the British public really. So not only a Jewish thing😶Oh and the EDL are a bunch of fuckwits too.

'The assistant commissioner continued that while the pro-Palestinian march "did not see the sort of physical violence carried out by the right wing", it was clear that for Jewish communities "the impact of hate crime and in particular antisemitic offences is just as significant". He said "a number of serious offences identified in relation to hate crime and possible support for proscribed organisations" during the protest were being investigated."

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-67390514

Not sure what the obsession with minimising the hate crimes surrounding the marches from some users. If you look at these marches all over the world the level of Jew hate and violence seen is really shocking. France had to ban the marches. A Russian one led to an airport and hotel getting stormed by protesters looking for Jews. Plus many more horrific things have happened around the world due to the marches. Let alone the acts of protesters on a smaller more individual level. Such as those that protested outside a London synagogue with flares or the house belonging to a Jew that got red paint thrown over it in London.

In Montreal a Jewish School has been shot at on two separate occasions. I France people were stabbed. Whilst this two incidents and other similarly horrible did not happen on marches the fanning of otherness and Jew hate is what causes such things. The conflict is terrible but to dismiss antisemitism in the UK on marches or elsewhere is dangerous. If we allow antisemitism to flourish then soon we will be Montreal or France. ThoI get the general impression so posters kind of what that to happen.

My response was specific to the title of the thread which is 'placards from anti Semitic marches in London' not worldwide.
The rise in anti semitism and islamophobia is worrying. However the title of this post is factually incorrect. To brand the entire march anti Semitic is wrong. It was a minority which is backed up by news reports as well as the police.

300,000 people but none of them seem willing to challenge those who are carrying anti Semitic posters even though they vastly outnumber them.

Exactly, @StarbucksSmarterSister. People have said that the vast majority weren't antisemitic in the slightest, so why were people carrying obnoxious placards not put straight by other marchers?

So all you had to say was the title needs the 'from' changing to an 'at'

Like it or not we are kind of stuck with the title from the first thread with this being the second one etc. You could have started the second thread yourself and adjusted the title if you feel that strongly. I doubt many users would have even noticed. Plus at some point the fuckwits always turn up on anything title thread that has the word antisemitism. Then tells everyone we are making whatever we are talking about up.

Actually it isn't just a change of from to at but a slight rearrange of words. However sure someone not liking the title isn't that important really.

Judging by a couple of ladies at work it is because lots of people find it amusing.

Seriously I am having to keep my mouth shut when I hear the pair other them talk about the protests like they are a jolly fun way to spend a Saturday. Apparently one of there husband's didn't get back from the march until 9pm because "He was having such fun I left him there and got the train tube back on my own".

Luckily the teenagers we work with are far more sensible. They have been great throughout this so far. That is such a relief.

Not signs but awareness and the mote eyes the better to trace these people:

Police are seeking the public’s help to identify 11 men suspected of displaying signs or wearing clothing in support of terrorist groups at pro-Palestine marches in London.

Officers also want to speak to two men captured in social media footage over allegations they engaged in pro-Hamas chanting in Trafalgar Square on November 4.

Inviting support for the banned organisation is an offence under the Terrorism Act.

The first is described as an Asian man who looks aged 40-50 and has a grey beard. He was wearing a dark hoodie with a distinctive white square on the left breast.

The second is described as looking age 20-30, wearing a black hoodie, grey tracksuit bottoms and a green neck covering.

These fuckwits if anyone knows who they are too

These little charmers too

Police say they are analysing hours of CCTV and images from the demonstrations as the “large and tightly-packed” crowds are said to make it difficult for officers to identify and arrest people immediately.

Commander Dominic Murphy, head of the Met’s Counter Terrorism Command, said: “Having pursued various lines of inquiry to try and identify these men, we are now seeking the public’s help.
“Many of the images we are sharing are very clear so I feel confident that there will be members of public who recognise the men.

“I really urge anyone who has information about these men – no matter how small – to call our confidential hotline.
“And if any of these men recognise themselves, I encourage them to go to a police station, so we can speak with them.”

Anyone who knows who these people are or has information that could help the investigation is asked to report it in confidence online atgov.uk/ACTor by calling 0800 789 321.

How do you know not one of them challenged them for carrying an antisemitic placard?

Shame there were a handful of idiots making the peaceful protesters look bad, but you can’t control who attends the marches unfortunately. Thank goodness the vast majority were there as pro Palestine supporters raising awareness that the genocide in Israel needs to stop.
The right wing hooligans that turned up didn’t help the matter either with their nazi salutes/signs and anti Islamic chants. They were the vast majority of arrests on the day as stated by the met police and some are still being sought out.

The spread of hate is affecting schools and this will continue as long as adults try to divide communities. Most young children do not watch the news but are influenced by families, communities and if old enough social media. If adults keep pumping out certain narratives the situation in schools will get worse

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2023/nov/09/charities-report-rise-in-antisemitism-and-islamophobia-at-schools-in-england

Maybe 1 or 2 have. However I have seen literally 1 person on Twitter video challenging someone. I have seen nobody on here who was on a march saying that they challenged anyone and of course numerous videos of people walking alongside those with anti-Semitic signs but not challenging them at all
That would rather strongly suggest they are not being challenged.

I'd be delighted If you could tell me you'd seen numerous people on marches challenging it.

Unfortunately I have seen more videos of people with signs denouncing Hamas being verbally and physically attacked for doing so.

How do you know not one of them challenged them for carrying an antisemitic placard?

Yeah and were they supposed to do? Make a citizens arrest? If it had been me I wouldn’t have challenged them directly as squaring up to thugs is never a good idea. I probably would have taken a pic and then reported them to the police.

Not sure what the obsession with minimising the hate crimes surrounding the marches from some users

Well there were 300,000 people at the march in London last week and to say its purpose was to be antisemitic because of hate crimes committed by a minority of its wrong. I don’t think it’s minimising the crimes to say that really.

Just find it odd that in a crowd of 300,000 you’re personally responsible for some numpty waving an antisemitic placard half a mile away. People on here be like “Why did you allow that? Happy to march side by side with racists eh?”

Glad to see that the police are going to do the right thing and arrest those people committing and inciting public disorder. I mean it's obvious to all that there isn't just one anti-semitic person half a mile away is it? There are literally thousands of people on each march who should have been detained for anti-semitic chants and placards.

The arrests would have been in their thousands last week had the police not been told to be light touch.

Well done Commander Findlay for doing the right thing now.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12764819/Police-orders-step-pro-Palestinian-protesters-climb-war-memorials-today-hundreds-thousands-expected-100-rallies-UK.html

There are literally thousands of people on each march who should have been detained for anti-semitic chants and placards.

The arrests would have been in their thousands last week had the police not been told to be light touch.

The arrests weren’t in the thousands then but would have been if the police had been told (by who? Not Suella presumably) to not do their jobs. And you know this for a fact because of reasons.

I only skim read the article tbf but it seemed to be saying the police have been ordered to stop people claiming on war memorials if for some reason they try to. Not that they actually have been climbing onto war memorials. Well that’s good to know.

Well, of course they HAVE been climbing memorials.

Uncivilised, disrespectful behaviour. Horrific scenes in our supposedly civilised country.

It should be illegal. And I bet it soon will be - brought forward by these dreadfully behaved people.

https://news.sky.com/story/met-police-says-its-not-illegal-to-climb-a-memorial-after-criticism-over-not-arresting-pro-palestinian-protesters-13009466

Disrespectful yes, horrific possibly not.

Fair enough.

But , I can imagine, intimidating for other people out and about - like this image in particular.