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Conflict in the Middle East

Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 17:44

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

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Trulywonderful · 13/11/2023 22:24

Takoneko · 13/11/2023 22:14

I meant the bit where you told Jews not to “complain about Hitler”. Deeply offensive on every level.

Give up and step away. You are not going to make this one see why their post was deleted. Total waste of your time. Though you could use it as an example to anyone reading if you choose. Good luck 😁

EasterIssland · 13/11/2023 22:25

Noelectricheating · 13/11/2023 20:44

You sound like you admire the terrorist group Hamas. Do you condemn what they did on October 7th?

37 days after

EasterIssland · 13/11/2023 22:27

Latest one coming from the video released by idf to proof hamas was under the hospital

you can see idf guy saying it in the video and also a thread about this video and with things that don’t add up

https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1724175188638511544

Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine
Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine
Howandwhy · 13/11/2023 22:27

Trulywonderful · 13/11/2023 22:21

I can promise you that I currently own no weapons of any sort or any power to make a ceasefire happen. Really doubt anyone here has weapons or the ability to make a ceasefire happen too. Therefore no idea why you keep repeating yourself.

The thread is about misinformation regarding the conflict. So it is yourself that is not focusing on the point in hand. I am simply replying to your posts.

Nobody who joined marches across the globe for any cause had much power. That's the point of a peaceful protest. You decided to respond to my post which you could easily have ignored, so I am answering your response.

South African Apartied began unravelling when the world showed its disdain for such practices by protesting and speaking out on the hypocrisy of Thatcher and others who supported it.

The point is, we need a cease fire now and that is the message I'm pushing. Hypocrisy will not be ignored no matter how harsh it sounds to those not used to being called out on their behaviour.

EasterIssland · 13/11/2023 22:28

EasterIssland · 13/11/2023 22:27

Latest one coming from the video released by idf to proof hamas was under the hospital

you can see idf guy saying it in the video and also a thread about this video and with things that don’t add up

https://twitter.com/muhammadshehad2/status/1724175188638511544

Forgot this pic

Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine
Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/11/2023 22:46

SovietSpy · 13/11/2023 21:13

This article on Vox has some good analysis on how social media platforms are being used to push propaganda.

this paragraph also stood out to me:

Check in with yourself and think critically about the role you want to play on- and offline in a moment like this. That might mean resisting the impulse to become an instant breaking news reporter in your group chat. If you don’t have the skill set to evaluate for accuracy the videos of on-the-ground footage in a neighborhood you’ve never visited, you’re not likely to develop it in a matter of minutes.

https://www.vox.com/technology/2023/10/12/23913472/misinformation-israel-hamas-war-social-media-literacy-palestine

Wise words right there

Trulywonderful · 13/11/2023 23:55

Howandwhy · 13/11/2023 22:27

Nobody who joined marches across the globe for any cause had much power. That's the point of a peaceful protest. You decided to respond to my post which you could easily have ignored, so I am answering your response.

South African Apartied began unravelling when the world showed its disdain for such practices by protesting and speaking out on the hypocrisy of Thatcher and others who supported it.

The point is, we need a cease fire now and that is the message I'm pushing. Hypocrisy will not be ignored no matter how harsh it sounds to those not used to being called out on their behaviour.

I replied to you not understanding why mumsnet deleted a previous post of yours. The reason I replied to that was because you were referencing Hitler as part of a rant about being deleted etc

So nothing to do with the conflict, marches or Israel. Just your reference to Hitler after a different post of yours got deleted.

No idea why you are talking to me about other stuff or going on about a ceasefire it was never part of our conversation. Hence my last post to you.

EasterIssland · 14/11/2023 00:00

EasterIssland · 13/11/2023 22:28

Forgot this pic

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Itllbefine6 · 14/11/2023 08:32

Certainfailure · 13/11/2023 18:38

@MrsTerryPratchett let’s be honest you don’t really know do you. If you follow any Jewish SM sites you’ll see that anti semitism is a bit of a free for all now. All and sundry are quite open in their disdain, using this conflict to express their feelings about Jews. Some of the stuff going on in Unis is disgusting. And folk suggesting that there is a bias against Palestinians are deluded. Literally every thread on this board is pro Palestinian and anyone who thinks differently is rounded on pretty quick.

Yes, the surprisong thing to me is the stance the US government and UK are taking in opposition to the very high level of pro Palestinian feeling in the West. The Guardian, for instance, has run an article practically every day criticising the invasion of Gaza and blaming Israël for the failure to reach a political settlement.

Trulywonderful · 14/11/2023 08:34

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 14/11/2023 07:00

DrinkingMyWaterMindingMyBiz-Also, someone burnt down a Palestinian owned burger joint, Burgertory, in Melbourne a few days ago. The owners had to move because they have been receiving death threats.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-13/burgertory-owner-moves-family-to-safehouse-730/103100348

Australia has serious racism problems. The current conflict has just pointed that at Arabs/Muslims and Jews. My grandmother lived there for a bit years ago. She was appalled at some of the stuff she saw and heard regarding their indigenous population let alone immigrants of colour.

People are so depressing sometimes. Poor bloke, going after peoples livelihoods is horrid. Let alone death threats.

dadoodoodoo · 14/11/2023 08:44

The saying “the first casualty of war is truth” has never been more true on BOTH sides of this conflict. You are quite right to call for caution but let’s not pretend the propaganda is one-sided.

Flopsythebunny · 14/11/2023 09:06

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 18:48

A few friends of mine attended the marches and they also said it was peaceful. I saw their videos too.
Unfortunately a lot of people misunderstand the reason behind the marches. They're not hate marches as the lovely Cruella de Braverman said it was. They're peaceful marches calling for the ceasefire. It's not about religion or race but it's a humanity call. Sadly if you're pro Palestine it is mistaken for being antisemitic.

The videos I've seen were all of people shouting "kill all the jews". That isn't peaceful!

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 14/11/2023 09:33

@Flopsythebunny

The videos I've seen were all of people shouting "kill all the jews". That isn't peaceful!

Would you mind posting so I can see?

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Trulywonderful · 14/11/2023 09:51

Flopsythebunny · 14/11/2023 09:06

The videos I've seen were all of people shouting "kill all the jews". That isn't peaceful!

Yep videos from various marches over the past month available online plus featured in media articles. Yet some people have selected memory about it. Amazing how blinkered people can be when they have internal prejudice and are pushing the peace march narrative

FOJN · 14/11/2023 10:14

Trulywonderful · 14/11/2023 09:51

Yep videos from various marches over the past month available online plus featured in media articles. Yet some people have selected memory about it. Amazing how blinkered people can be when they have internal prejudice and are pushing the peace march narrative

pushing the peace march narrative

What do you mean by this? Why wouldn't people claim they are marching for peace if that is what they are doing?

I have seen some pretty shocking antisemitic sentiments expressed by a minority of "peace" activists but I don't think they are views shared by the majority of the millions around the world who have marched for peace.

Lumping them all together because of a minority of bad actors is the same as insisting all Palestinians are terrorists and all Israelis support Netanyahu's extreme right wing government, which is clearly not true.

I don't think we should ignore them or pretend it isn't happening but it's unreasonable to think they represent the majority of people protesting.

DrinkingMyWaterMindingMyBiz · 14/11/2023 10:16

It’s almost as if people scan through the hundreds of thousands of marchers to find the wankers in an attempt to discredit the actual purpose of the marches.

ScrollingLeaves · 14/11/2023 10:31

This is a report by AP News about misinformation. This news agency is well regarded.

Here are the first two paragraphs to the link below:

“Misinformation about the latest Israel-Hamas war is thriving on social media platforms, where misrepresented video footage, mistranslations and outright falsehoods often crowd out real reporting from the conflict.
In recent weeks, users have pushed false claims that “crisis actors” are staging scenesof carnage and that U.S. Marines are flooding in to fight on the ground in Gaza.

Here is a closer look at the latest misinformation spreading online — and the facts.”

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-fact-check-e829d1dddcc2dad0f5f99cf62ef353ad

Palestinians look for survivors in the rubble of a destroyed building following an Israeli airstrike in Bureij refugee camp, Gaza Strip, Thursday, Nov. 2, 2023. (AP Photo/Mohammed Dahman)

Israel-Hamas war misinformation is everywhere. Here are the facts

Misinformation about the latest Israel-Hamas war is thriving on social media platforms, where misrepresented video footage, mistranslations and outright falsehoods often crowd out real reporting from the conflict.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-fact-check-e829d1dddcc2dad0f5f99cf62ef353ad

Alcemeg · 14/11/2023 10:49

Going back to the original thread, AllSides is quite a useful site that assesses the potential bias of information. If you search "Hamas" for example, various news stories are listed with indications of whether their source leans left, centre or right.
https://www.allsides.com/search?search=hamas

The fact-check source Snopes is rated as leaning slightly left:
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/snopes

Reuters Fact Check is rated as centre:
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/reuters-fact-check-media-bias

Mind you the way information is handled nowadays, and with the advent of AI (including digitally manipulated imagery), anything is possible! You can't bullshit the bullshitters! AllSides, for all I know, could be run by militant propagandists 😉

Snopes Media Bias Rating

Learn the AllSides Media Bias Rating of Snopes. AllSides rates the media bias of hundreds of news outlets, media sources and writers.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/snopes

starfleet · 14/11/2023 10:52

Teentaxidriver · 13/11/2023 20:51

My original point still stands, you can’t compare the recent steepnrise in antisemitism to racist activities post-Bexit.

It's not a comparing game. It doesn't make antisemitism any less heinous.

The rise in racism has been on the uprise since 9/11, 7/7 and more so since Brexit. When you are called out for the colour of your skin, spat at, abused in the street or supermarket, your kids have terrorists comment directed at them, you worry for your elderly parents going out alone, have to remind your kids that if they are stopped and searched to know what to say because they will be the one picked out in a group by the police, have to deal with insidious racism in the work place, have to collectively apologise for each and every terrorist threat or action reported in the news as if you are personally responsible - because you know....all Muslims.

I'd say 90% of people of Muslim people/POC in the UK have had one or more of these thing happen to them. It doesn't matter where you work, how you speak - it all comes down to the fact that you are always othered.

So please tell me how much of this have you personally experienced?

The Islamophobia and racism on these threads is rife.

So all of those apologists constantly repeating "but Hamas" think about how Palestinian people have been living like this, and probably worse, for the past 75 years.

Trulywonderful · 14/11/2023 11:16

FOJN · 14/11/2023 10:14

pushing the peace march narrative

What do you mean by this? Why wouldn't people claim they are marching for peace if that is what they are doing?

I have seen some pretty shocking antisemitic sentiments expressed by a minority of "peace" activists but I don't think they are views shared by the majority of the millions around the world who have marched for peace.

Lumping them all together because of a minority of bad actors is the same as insisting all Palestinians are terrorists and all Israelis support Netanyahu's extreme right wing government, which is clearly not true.

I don't think we should ignore them or pretend it isn't happening but it's unreasonable to think they represent the majority of people protesting.

Sorry not the same at all

The Gazens are help captive by there own birth place and politics of the area. Many do not have a choice about those things and no way to change them

Marchers have a choice about protesting on marches that have an ex Hamas member and some well known Jew haters organising it. They also could easily on mass remove hate signs from antisemitic idiots or handover people to the police. Protesters should not march unless they understand what they are marching for but as we have seen most are laughing smiling and out for a jolly. Therefore having seen this myself in London the marches are mostly one big bad faith actor as the saying goes.

dadoodoodoo · 14/11/2023 11:47

Marches and protests have always attracted a small number of extremists who have their own agenda. The police should deal with them appropriately. But that should not stop the majority from exercising their right to peaceful and legitimate protest, which is what the vast majority are doing. Don't forget there were an estimated 300,000 people were at the protests in London on Saturday - a tiny minority (who are obviously more likely to be photographed and end up on social media than the families, older people etc. who were there to support peace) were expressing hateful views.

DrinkingMyWaterMindingMyBiz · 14/11/2023 11:56

@Trulywonderful the vast majority of the 300,000 people marching were doing so to encourage our government to support a ceasefire.

If I have read your post correctly, you believe that they shouldn’t have done so.

So what do you think should be done about the situation that Palestinian civilians are dealing with?

whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 14/11/2023 11:57

*@Trulywonderful

The Gazens are help captive by there own birth place and politics of the area. Many do not have a choice about those things and no way to change them

You mean the Gazans are held captive by Israel in their own birth place. They don't have a choice due to the Israeli government. *

Marchers have a choice about protesting on marches that have an ex Hamas member and some well known Jew haters organising it. They also could easily on mass remove hate signs from antisemitic idiots or handover people to the police. Protesters should not march unless they understand what they are marching for but as we have seen most are laughing smiling and out for a jolly. Therefore having seen this myself in London the marches are mostly one big bad faith actor as the saying goes.*

Visit the link below to educate yourself on the organisers of the protests. Protestors march for the freedom and rights of the Palestinians. They know this. You don't.

palestinecampaign.org/about/

If you don't want to visit the link then perhaps you can view the attachments that show they are not "Jew haters".

Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine
Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine
Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine
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