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Conflict in the Middle East

Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 17:44

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

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DrinkingMyWaterMindingMyBiz · 13/11/2023 19:01

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Care to elaborate?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/11/2023 19:01

ShadowCipher · 13/11/2023 18:58

does the bbc do a guide for when papers have, spin, half truths, etc

I honestly don't know but would doubt it; being the BBC I'd expect them to focus more on misinformation on TV and radio, even though they themselves don't have clean hands on this

æterofax · 13/11/2023 19:02

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whatswrongwiththeworldddd · 13/11/2023 19:03

Back in the day, before social media, the media is all we had to go on for information and we wouldn't directly see the impact of wars. But now what Israel didn't count on was social media and the truth about what they're doing being shown for the world to see. This has obviously not worked in their favour and they've had to produce countless fake stories to fit their narrative.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 13/11/2023 19:03

MonsieurCrapeau · 13/11/2023 18:48

Anti-Semitic attacks have increased by 1000%. I can’t count the number of posts sneering about ‘the Jews’ feeling afraid. The anti-semitism is so near the surface and this conflict is giving it air. I am in various groups and the vitriol, calling for Israel to be wiped off the map, is awful.

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I'd really like to talk properly about each of these things:

Anti-Semitic attacks having increased 1000%. Is that hyperbole or actual attacks? Do you have a link? My understanding is that there has been a steady increase in crimes based on race and nationality in recent years. Brexit etc. and the general polarisation of society is poisonous. The rise of anti-Semitic, racism and the associated violence is dreadful.

Secondly, 'the Jews'. My understanding, and again I could be wrong, was that Jewish people in the main were good with being referred to, when it's relevant to mention race and/or religion, as Jews. There was a long thread on here ages ago saying that although some groups of people, I'll use myself, would rather be called a Polish person or a person with ADHD, to pick a couple of things, than a Pole or an ADHDer, Many Jewish people pick 'Jews' because it's a race and religion and the identifier is good for them. If it's not, it's worth a conversation. And if people object, I will absolutely choose to refer to people in the way they prefer. Language changes but people may be trying to refer to people correctly.

Third, the vast majority of people on here and IRL favour Israel and Palestine co-existing peacefully. Yes, on both 'sides' there is a contingent of people wanting to wipe the others off the map but the only 'side' capable of attempting that (and currently succeeding) is Israel. And it's complicated by Israel being the only Jewish state. And so objecting to Israel looks like objecting to Judaism, in a way that objecting to Palestine doesn't look like Islamophobia. But generally next to no one wants Israel wiped off the map.

It is horrifying to see anti-semitism crawl out of the woodwork and it's unsurprising given history that people are terrified. However seeing Israel's mass killings as wrong doesn't make someone anti-Semitic.

MrsTerryPratchett · 13/11/2023 19:04

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The Palestinians have been a threat to western society for the past 25 years?

Jeez, I have missed that completely!

ShadowCipher · 13/11/2023 19:07

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/11/2023 19:01

I honestly don't know but would doubt it; being the BBC I'd expect them to focus more on misinformation on TV and radio, even though they themselves don't have clean hands on this

thats what i was thinking, its almost like they saying others are bad for false information etc

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i should hope there is, and also hope it includes the intelligence services too

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/11/2023 19:18

ShadowCipher · 13/11/2023 19:09

i should hope there is, and also hope it includes the intelligence services too

So do I, but then given the sensitivity of many operations the intelligence services and SAS are hardly likely to be shouting their mouths off to the media, social or otherwise

I may have made a mistake though; from the title I thought this thread really was about misinformation, but given OP's latest update it appears it may be just another one-sided bash

ShadowCipher · 13/11/2023 19:19

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/11/2023 19:18

So do I, but then given the sensitivity of many operations the intelligence services and SAS are hardly likely to be shouting their mouths off to the media, social or otherwise

I may have made a mistake though; from the title I thought this thread really was about misinformation, but given OP's latest update it appears it may be just another one-sided bash

These days who truly knows whats smoke and mirrors so to speak

Xenia · 13/11/2023 19:23

War is ugly. People did. had Hamas not invaded Israel Hamas would not have brought this down upon its people. It knew what it was doing. It is reaping what it sowed.

Takoneko · 13/11/2023 19:30

Full fact have a lot of good fact checks on things that have gained traction on social media. I’ve posted a few recent ones above.

ssd · 13/11/2023 19:30

Xenia · 13/11/2023 19:23

War is ugly. People did. had Hamas not invaded Israel Hamas would not have brought this down upon its people. It knew what it was doing. It is reaping what it sowed.

Did Israel reap what it sowed on oct 7th?

MrsTerryPratchett · 13/11/2023 19:32

Xenia · 13/11/2023 19:23

War is ugly. People did. had Hamas not invaded Israel Hamas would not have brought this down upon its people. It knew what it was doing. It is reaping what it sowed.

Do you also think Israel reaped what it sowed because of its actions before the 7th October? I assume not.

So let's not pretend killing 3 times as many children as there were victims on the 7th October is proportionate in any way.

ShadowCipher · 13/11/2023 19:33

War Media Articles (wanttoknow.info)

provides the links to different media articles, including mainstream outlets eg guardian, daily mail etc

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/11/2023 19:38

Excellent research, @Takoneko, though I had to smile about fullfact's caution "It’s important to check that content is genuine before sharing it"

As if that would matter to some on social media Hmm

Teentaxidriver · 13/11/2023 19:45

TerryPratchett - I’d really like to talk properly about …. how hard you try to hide your antisemitism. Sadly though it is still there, lurking under the fluffy, supposedly decent, trying to appear reasonable language. Questioning whether there really has been a rise in antisemitism, minimising it by likening it to general racism [it isn’t like racism or do you not get that? They are an ethnoreligious group], pretending you thought calling them “the Jews” is acceptable nomenclature, alluding to the desire for the destruction of Israel but admitting that since it is their only homeland maybe that isn’t ok. Hiding in plain sight.

BorgQueen · 13/11/2023 19:47

BBC news showed faked footage on tonight’s 6 o clock news;
The segment on the Hospital situation, included footage I saw on twitter days ago with Mr FAFO (the fakest Hamas propaganda faker of all) in the background. The girl with ‘blood’ all over her face is part of that footage, they’d blurred out the ‘bodies’ but they are there in all their fake glory on twitter.
Go onto twitter and search for his antics if you don’t believe me.
How can anyone believe anything Hamas are spouting, least of all the casualty figures ?