Be aware of misinformation seen regarding Palestine

[whatswrongwiththeworldddd]

There's a lot of misinformation/propaganda spreading around and this thread is to raise awareness of the ones circulating. Here's one for example:

www.instagram.com/p/Czh2sF_LaUp/?igshid=anFmemQ3OGxpMGpu

Please share any you come across.

@whatswrongwiththeworldddd but the marches started before Israel responded to October 7th. I find it hard to understand them given they began as a response to October 7th.

@Iwantcakeeveryday do you really believe that this all started on 7/10? It wasn't the starting point.

Of course not. But to start marches after that terrible day, makes me think quite differently than you do about them.

Welcome to the internet. Its frankly quite scary how readily some people believe without question stuff that's been posted on social media or even by news outlets. It's tricky though because to disbelieve everything renders it all pointless, I'd say build up a picture through various sources, ask who is posting it and whether they're likely to have bias etc. On each and every side and in each and every topic.

The PSC has been campaigning for Palestine for over 40 years, so of course the marches have been taking place since before October the 7th.They did not begin as a response.

The media didn't report on previous marches as they weren't deemed newsworthy. The recent protests are on a far bigger scale - big enough that they cannot be ignored.

Well I think it is beyond insensitive to march after what happened to Israelis on the 7th, to step up the marches after that is just wrong. Where are the marches for the victims of Hamas? Having watched some videos of interviews with survivors, I feel very angry at the one sided response by protesters in the west- as if we ourselves didn't respond to our own terrorism incidents with war. Who the fuck are we to tell any other nation what to do with terrorists?

@Iwantcakeeveryday Where are the marches for the victims of Hamas?

That's a question for Pro Israelis isn't it.
The victims of 7/10 were also victims of Israel.

This is how I feel too, let alone the open celebrations of 7 October in the streets.

As you can see, though, MN is overrun with posters who will insist it was all perfectly justified, unlike Israel's response.

I'm not Jewish or Israeli, by the way... just allergic to bullying.

Let's not be coy here. Certain people were celebrating the massacre, rapes and burnings of innocent people (including babies and disabled people) way before any retaliation simply because they were Israelis.

@Alcemeg As you can see, though, MN is overrun with posters who will insist it was all perfectly justified, unlike Israel's response.

Sounds like you believe Israelis response is proportionate to what happened on7/10 and that you support genocide.

I should have paid closer attention to your thread title, I mistakenly thought you were starting a thread about misinformation on the entire conflict, but you're not are you. Your post here shows clearly your agenda. Those people were victims of a terrorist organisation and to blame Israel is despicable. Hamas brutally massacred, raped and tortured them and are probably still doing so to any that remain alive.

No, some of us just don't support terrorists and the brutalisation of women and can see that there are no good guys in this conflict. None.

@Iwantcakeeveryday I was answering your question.

@Iwantcakeeveryday "No, some of us just don't support terrorists and the brutalisation of women and can see that there are no good guys in this conflict. None" -are you really lumping the whole of Gaza's population into that camp, who are bearing the greatest burden of the conflict?

are you really suggesting I am referring to any civilian with zero power in this conflict? That includes us being responsible for our own governments. Don't; be so stupid.

I'm not sure what you'd call a "proportionate" response to 7 October, but I don't think it's fair to measure it in numbers. Especially as Hamas ensures maximum civilian casualties in Gaza.

@Iwantcakeeveryday - based on your assertions I'm certainly not being stupid. You seem to suggest the palestinian population has asked for this shitshow and we have no right to legitimately protest against our Government's support of Israel and it's massively disproportionate response to 7th October and blatant disregard for humanitarian law

@Alcemeg
I'm not sure what you'd call a "proportionate" response to 7 October, but I don't think it's fair to measure it in numbers. Especially as Hamas ensures maximum civilian casualties in Gaza.

*Israel ensures maximum civilian casualties in Gaza.

A proportionate response wouldn't be to wipe out an entire race to take over their land. The IDF have outright admitted their task is to occupy, cleanse and make Gaza their own and they won't stop until they've completed their mission.

Sounds like you subscribe to the idea of guilt by association but selectively apply it.

Do you think you know the motives and information level of everyone attending these marches?

You are right people do have a choice about whether they march or not, you also have a choice about whether you generalise about millions of people and hold them accountable for others.

Lots of people claim the situation is complex until it comes to censorship and then it all becomes very simple for them; anyone who disagree with you has bad motives and should self censor or be silenced.

NO. The Palestinian people did not, neither did the Israeli citizens. People are talking about the actions of governments/states and terrorist organisations on these threads. When discussing war, ' there are no good guys' clearly isn't talking about innocent civilians. How fucking ridiculous. I was clearly saying neither side in this is in the right.
A Pro Palestinian march after Hamas attacked Israel is disgusting to me.

While I don’t think anybody should be pretending that these marches cause absolutely no harm, it’s not reasonable to expect that the world will watch Israel murder upwards of 10,000 civilians and stay silent while they continue, to avoid antisemitism.

I think that’s the blunt truth for me. It is important to recognise the injustice in what British Jewish people are facing because it is by no means fair and it shouldn’t be happening. However, it’s for the authorities to deal with this and they are not doing that. The situation in Gaza is ongoing and while the PM’s response continues to be so wholly unacceptable the marches cannot be discontinued in good conscience.

Fair comments. I think peoples frustrations are with the authorities not dealing with the issues and lots of people denying that there has been issues of anti semitism at all. The marches starting before Israel responded so they haven't just been about a ceasefire, even if they are now. I support calls for a ceasefire, I just don't think the marches are wise given the current atmosphere.

Ironic that you’re saying this on a thread about misinformation.

No one is stopping people marching for the victims of Hamas.
Im sure the UK and US government would be more than happy to let that go ahead.