Why don't Hamas/Palestine surrender (and release hostages) in a losing conflict?

[sweetroastedpeanut]

Please preach me.

I greatly sympathize with the Palestinians and the innocent people attacked by Hamas. The sadness is imminent. Numerous lives lost and homes destroyed. The retaliation is getting out of proportion and bombing should stop right now.

However, I cannot make sense of why there's no one asking Hamas / Palestine to surrender to facilitate an immediate cease fire.

Why doesn't Hamas got chased away from Palestine for peace, who initiate the conflict themselves on 7 Oct (And ironically the heads of Hamas are not in Palestine taking the blow).

And why doesn't Palestine's allies (e.g. Lebanon, Iran) provides humanitarian aids and give a big welcome and provide shelter for Palestinians but fanning the flames instead?

I know many will talk about the long history of conflict and how Palestine has been suffering but I think that's not really helping in achieving an immediate cease fire here. If ceasefire is the priority, and the lives of civilians matter, then Hamas should surrender now. And Palestinians should turn the trouble makers in.

I cannot help but thinking Hamas leaders are cowards who cannot take responsibility for the mess they have created, while ducking under the bodies of civilians who die for Hamas foolishness.

Maybe Israel won't agree to a ceasefire because they like killing and occupying Palestinians more than they care for their own people 🤔

No care for the hostages that they could have had home months ago, no care about the fact Iran is only holding off attacking them to give them a chance to agree to a ceasefire that Hamas agreed to long ago now. It would be great if they would finally agree to a ceasefire, let the hostages come home and de-escalate tensions in the Middle East.

Feel free to look it up :-)

Well this just really isn't true, actually. It may be your opinion, but my I have relatives across the world who support Israel. 🙏

You are in fact correct. Hamas is a terror organisation. Gaza is not a democracy. They do not have a government. Israel in fact is the only democratic state in the middle east.

From Israeli newspaper Haaretz.

How Netanyahu Has Systematically Foiled Talks to Release Hostages From Hamas Captivity
10 July 2024

(To read the full article you can put this headline into ‘archive ph’ in the box at the bottom of the page.)

Excerpt from the article:

The past six months, during which Israel negotiated a framework for the release of Israeli hostages being held captive by Hamas in the Gaza Strip – were riddled with hopeful moments that shattered one after the other. While Hamas impeded the talks, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu repeatedly torpedoed their progress – particularly when it came to decisive moments.

Netanyahu believes that an agreement on a hostage deal will most likely lead to his government's collapse – which he seeks to avoid at all costs. Defense officials who spoke with Haaretz said that in his attempt to derail negotiations, Netanyahu relied on classified intelligence and manipulated the sensitive information. This is how Netanyahu systematically foiled the negotiations to free the hostages.

Support the indiscriminate slaughter of innocent civilians by any means, in the name of "self-defence"?
The facts are plain to see (from reputable and verified sources such as Reuters). Netanyahu does not want a ceasefire. The genocidal rhetoric of his government is chilling.
Hamas and the Israeli government are two of a kind. None of them care about the Palestinians or the hostages. History will judge them.

Hamas and the Israeli government are two of a kind.

Yes, they seem to be entangled in a symbiotic knot.

Liat Atzili, a history teacher, who was one of the Hamas hostages released in December, and whose husband was killed Oct 7, during an interview for Haaretz,

Atzili notes that the failure she mentions did not begin nine months ago. "We've been living for 20 years with abandonment and neglect and zero political strategy. October 7 is the result of Netanyahu's policy and of that of the right-wing governments throughout that period. This includes cultivating Hamas at the expense of the Palestinian Authority, the attempt to cover up the Palestinian issue and the failure to conduct diplomatic negotiations."

( From Haaretz, July 27 2024
“'I Wanted Them to Like Me. That's How You Survive': Liat Atzili Spent Weeks Conversing With Her Hamas Captors. Here's What They Talked About.”)

That's not what I said. I said I know people over the world who support Israel. Who have relatives slaughtered my hamas. Who support the state of Israel's right to exist.

You said, and I quote, " I have relatives across the world who support Israel. 🙏".
You just added the rest now.
Israel has, of course the right to exist, as much has Palestine has too.
The Israeli government appears to believe that the latter shouldn't, demonstrated by their actions in Gaza and their open support of the illegal settlement in the West Bank.
What Hamas did on 07/10 is inexcusable as much as what the Israeli government is doing now.
As I stated before, both are contemptible.

@Auvergne63
"The Israeli government appears to believe Palestine shouldn't exist".

Sadly, I think we both know it's more than "appears to believe"... the Israeli government is blatently rooting for Palestine's disappearance off the face of the earth, and says as much on a near-daily basis.

Only yesterday (while approving plans to construct a new illegal settlement right next to the Palestinian village of Battir, which is also a UNESCO world heritage site) Smotrich was quoted as saying “No anti-Israeli and anti-Zionist decision will stop the development of settlements. We will continue to fight against the dangerous project of creating a Palestinian state by creating facts on the ground.”

(By "creating facts on the ground" I presume he means "having lots of babies".)

https://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1492/

I agree with you; this vile genocidal government needs to go asap.

I think ‘facts on the ground’ mean settlers and buildings even in advance of any babies. You remove Palestinians then stand on the ground they had been on, and then say it is yours.

This

And kill anyone who tries to stop it.

Difficult to have a ceasefire if Hamas aren't even at the table.

Do you know why they are not?

I have read a few Israeli news reports saying it was because they (Hamas) had already agreed to the Biden plan set out about a month ago, and now Netanyahu was changing that. But I am not clear on what the details are.

I just this minute saw this for example, from Haaretz:

The proposal for a cease-fire/hostage deal currently in discussion "completely contradicts" what Hamas agreed to in July, a source in the organization told Saudi daily Al Sharq.

@ScrollingLeaves Also heard on BBC R4 last night that Netanyahoo boasted about having "strongmanned" Blinken into aligning more closely with the Israeli stance than Blinken originally intended.
Not sure about the details, perhaps it was about Israel wanting to maintain an indefinite presence in northern Gaza after this is over (which would pretty much cut Gaza in half).

Maybe they won't surrender because they believe in their fight to try to destroy Israel?

Maybe they just want to 'win' and don't care about peace or living alongside people of a different ethnicity?

It's 😔 very sad