My question to you

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If Hamas was hiding in Tel Aviv, would it be acceptable to indiscriminately bomb Tel Aviv killing 4000 children, 10000 civilians, 24 journalists and 70 UN colleagues?

If a school shooter was hiding out In a classroom, when would it ever be morally accepted to bomb the entire school?

So it isn't straightforward and guess that's why she's not been banned

Yes it sounds like she’s been directly affected by Oct 7. She’s not really a troll.

who directly effected speak about their pain, than generelising ,me thinks.

No, they celebrated the death of Jews. That's why they were shouting "gas the Jews". It's very much about civilians getting hurt.

who directly effected speak about their pain, than generelising ,me thinks

Sorry, not quite sure what you mean?

OMG, I had no idea!! Why hasn’t anyone mentioned this before?!

I was answering the not-at-all-leading question- it would clearly be unnacceptable to bomb Tel Aviv indiscriminately with the accompanying catastrophic loss of life, which is why the Israelis would evacuate the civilian population rather than use them as human shields or actively prevent them from leaving the area.

That Gazan civilians are being denied safe passage, denied exit, denied aid and killed and injured in such huge numbers is also unacceptable.

You made the point that Tel Aviv could be evacuated. I was just pointing out that Hamas could not evacuate Gaza even if they wanted too. The best they (the civilians) can do is scurry around Gaza trying to keep out of the way of the next bombing target.

Maybe Hamas do think of Palestinians as shields (though that tactic doesn’t seem to work well as it doesn’t deter Israel from attacking, and Hamas should know this from 2014) but Gaza is densely populated. I mean think about it. Small area….densely populated…can’t leave because all borders are closed.

Israeli lives are worth more
This sums up the current situation to a tee.

@Sugaristheenemy I don’t understand why you keeping saying the same thing over and over again. You’re not telling me anything I don’t already know and I’m clearly not disagreeing with you so grandstanding is unneccessary.

It isn't that Israeli lives are worth more but rather that the Israeli government values the lives of its citizens and knows its first duty is to protect them, whereas the Gazan government sees its citizens as expendable pawns in a global religious war. Hamas has actually said that the Israelis' biggest weakness is loving life, whereas they love death.

What a load of s*&t.

I don’t understand why you keeping saying the same thing over and over again. You’re not telling me anything I don’t already know and I’m clearly not disagreeing with you so grandstanding is unneccessary.

what are you on about?

If that’s the case and so little is known about Hamas and their secret locations then what if they’ve been bombing innocent civilians for no reason at all and Hamas were never in that particular location? Like you said they just don’t know.
That makes it much worse. To think that they believe Palestinian lives are worth so little that they can bomb them in the hope that they randomly hit 1 or 2 Hamas militants for 1000 Palestinians. That’s pure evil.

Exactly
They don't care about palestinians
And they certainly don't care how many die except for the fact that it's starting to turn more and more people against them
They are bombing indiscriminately and turning Gaza into a wasteland
Just as they said they would at the start of the war

Oh good, you're on this thread too.

Ok so here's a link to a video showing a school in Gaza right next door to a weapons storage (/manufacturing? Not sure as I only understand a few words of Hebrew) unit.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Czbd3vtgyi/?igshid=MTZva3R0d2syYzhhNw==

I've seen the video a few times now but this is the only shareable link I have as obviously can't upload a video on here.

I know it's in Hebrew but you don't need to understand what he's saying, he's just filming a classroom in a school next to the weapons.

Edited to add - so maybe Israel knows more than we think.

Just seen it says weapons factory in English 🙈 But can't confirm from what he's saying if that's accurate

I was just informed by a relative who speaks Hebrew that at the end, he's holding up plastic guns that were used to train the children

Fancy seeing you on this thread too!
so are you saying that because there is a weapons storage unit next to the school it’s ok to bomb the school too?
ok so if there’s a weapon storage next to the school then why not go in and seize it? If they know about it why bomb the school and the weapon storage unit? Especially, when so many innocent children and civilians have now paid with lives for the acts of Hamas?
If they know it’s there then go in and seize it?

If it's so easy, and since you've said you are against Hamas, would you like to give it a try? Go in and seize it without any casualties?

That's our interpolation. someone like who doesn't even know a thing about Jews ,Zionism and Semitism etc etc is really scared now after just mumsnet threads. If say here on Jews having rightwing mumsnetters, doesn't mean rest of the civilians . Having said that Jews shoud introspect if at all they take those instants to heart.

You own or disown what Jews powers are doing, upto you.

I am Hindu. we belong to upper caste , who are yet racists towards backward classes. If I come across someone who want to kill Hindus, why should I defend Hindus or feared that I will be killed? If I am feared , I question my leaders for putting my life into risk. I never hate terrorists from oppressed.

Hamas leaders are in AC rooms in other countries, yes. It doesn't mean they have safety net, or they can move around as they wish, Nethanyahu couldn't dare to go out of power and live in fear.

If I had Israel’s money, lowest, intelligent forces, technological advancements and army I would especially if it was next to a school. I would at least try.

They have tried previously. This isn't exactly the first war with Gaza.

The world worked tirelessly to avoid Israel marching in to Gaza for a good few weeks before they eventually did it anyway this time around because I guess needs must. Why say no to them marching in if you want them to go in and get rid of Hamas with as few casualties as possible? Do you not see the impossible task Israel has been faced with? Get rid of Hamas but also don't bomb and don't go in because if you do we'll accuse you of land grabbing

@Humdingerydoo well its certainly not helped by the IDF putting Israeli flags in Gaza and then singing making tik toks

I'm sorry, I genuinely don't understand what you're saying here. I'm really not trying to be rude.

Agreed. It's stupid beyond belief. Although them praying in an ancient synagogue for the first time in almost 20 years was pretty special. Definitely don't think they should be putting up flags anywhere though

@Humdingerydoo I do understand what you mean that it would be impossible to do so without going in
But I have always questioned whether Israel will be able to fully eradicate Hamas anyway
Its not just people but an ideology founded on hate and let's not forget- Oppression

And whilst the Oppression and suppression continues, not only in Gaza but in the west bank, Israel will constantly be looking over its shoulder and the pot will always be boiling ready to tip over again

I'm not sure if you have seen but now even the US are slowly changing their rhetoric
Even they are saying now that the civilian casualty is too high
It's not just the Arabs criticising
This was on the BBC just a little while ago
BTW I try to attach sources to my points as many posters will say well Where's your source on what you are saying

Personally I think Biden is terrible, he spurred Israel on at the start of the war and now seems to be backtracking as polls show an increasing amount of Americans feel Israel has gone too far
He's probably worried about the elections