I have a question about Palestinian children.

[Rainbowsandbutterflies1990]

What I've been wondering if an innocent child has just had their whole family killed by a bomb, there whole city bombed so they have nothing, how r they going to not being against who is bombing them. There is going to be trauma. They could be against what hamas belives, but they equally could be angry and understandably just in being anti Israel (goverment as that's who is carrying out this) how is it realistic to expect the Palestinians to be happy Israel is taking out hamas. And killing their families, their friends and flattening their cities in the process.

I copied this from another thread as think it's a valid question I have no idea why it's highlighted.

The problem is for Israel these pesky Palestinians just don’t die and just won’t leave. Either they will have to kill them all in broad daylight for the world to see or they will have to live perpetually in fear of retaliation for the horrible consequences of these actions.

After 7 October they know there will be consequences, it is just a matter of when and where but not a question of if. The number of angry children that will come out of this with nothing to lose and only hate in their heart for Israel will be scary. Moreover now a lot of that feeling for Israel is being played out in the news in many other countries too so it isn’t just Palestinians that Israel needs to worry about.

the op is right. Israel leaves no option on the table for an alternative outcome for its people or the people of Palestine. Only fear.

I'm trying to deconstruct your last sentence. Your initial thoughts when seeing a parent grieving the death of their child( ! ) is to feel so sick of declaring their children 'martyrs' just googled the meaning as didn't know. If ur child has been killed due to a bomb (which I'm assuming this is what u mean) why wouldn't it be about their beliefs?

actually think there's a kind of racism in the narrative of radicalisation. The people who use the term seem to consider some races as being governed by emotion and as people who need to be treated as tinderboxes of anger, waiting to explode.

What 'race' wouldn't react with anger and trauma to living through the kind of horrors the Palestinians are suffering?

How many Palestinians do you know, @KinS24 ? On what basis are you making such a claim?

Somewhat "elaborated" form of this:

If, say, the British army had brutally attacked Belgium (and - as the UN Secretary General rightly said: "not in a vacuum" - 7 October, as horrible as it was - is not the beginning of history) and, in retaliation, the Belgian armed forced had come in and slaughtered your mum, your dad, all of your uncles and all but one of your aunts (the person who ended up raising you, having lost all of her own children) ...

... you would not precisely be likely to grow up to think "Belgians are great - we Brits sort of suck, though, especially our Army", now, would you?

On BBC today- their war correspondent with the IDF in Gaza said as much - there is no clear end game. Various options have also come out from Israeli government- from one extreme to another (from no responsibility for the strip to complete control of security).

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/07/netanyahus-vague-vision-for-gaza-after-war-may-open-up-new-chapter-of-violence

You really think they're going to share the details of their military strategy?!

I am sure all mothers would rather their children were still alive.

I find your post offensive and Islamophobic.

Do a thought experiment - in your comment replace Islam with Zionism and Palestine by Israel.

Well they could do better than contradicting themselves!

maybe is time for you to leave the news and internet so you don’t have to get sick of seeing parents saying goodbye forever to their beautiful kids that didn’t choose to be killed as part of a war

You know there is a difference between,

"there is nothing strategic about their campaign"

and

"there does not appear to be anything strategic about their campaign".

Let me know if I can help you further with your reading comprehension.

It is like the cubs of the caliphate in ISIS, sadly and nearly 50% of Gaza is under 18. We all know what ISIS did - breeding lots of sons and arming them with guns at age 10. This is what Israel is up against. The solution is not giving in to Hamas so it can invade Israel again and again and ultimately drive every jew from Israel. it is standing up to Hamas as it is now doing so Hamas never again dares to invade israel and slit the throats of babies.

I don’t understand what is wrong about Islam? What do you mean “absolute grip of Islam”? You do know that Israel has Christian Palestinians too? They are a minority, but they do live in Gaza and West Bank. Look closely and you will see Imans and Orthodox priests both at the graveyards and at prayer/vigils at the hospitals.

The “martyrs” thing has a different religious and cultural meaning in Islam than it does in Christianity. It is more like how Christians will say a child that has died is “an angel now” or “with the angels”. If you see interviews with Christian Gazans, they do say this- one interview a father lost his three children when the church was bombed he says over and over “they killed my angels” and “my children are angels now”

Both calling a victim, especially a child, an angel or martyr simply means that they are a total innocent who goes straight to paradise/heaven.

That is why part of the formulaic of the Muslim saying they are a martyr is to also to say that you envy them. And in Christian faith the formulaic is to say that you hope to join them with the angels. Because they’re in paradise/heaven and you hope to go there too when it’s your time to die.

It is not like anything!
U are assuming again like others that children from Palestine are going to automatically be for Hamas AND JOIN THEM . THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING!

That is some REALLY FUCKING RACIST and DEHUMANISING SHIT right there!

As per my usual policy: so long as nobody is calling for violence, I shall not be reporting it. I believe in free speech, and I believe in humanity and that stuff like this discredits itself!

But ... go on the internet! The pictures of Palestinian mothers being completely broken over the death of their children are out there! They hurt to watch! But you should probably watch them! (I usually do not advocate for people watching it - but ... yeah, you should!)

I also think it’s good not to report - so people can see the racism underlying some of the pro-Israeli views expressed here. It really is appalling.

People rush to call antisemitism if there is any criticism of Israeli government policy- this is despite people also calling out the dreadfulness of Hamas at the same time.

To be fair, there is a saying about military strategies and it goes something like “no plan survives contact with the enemy”

All militaries suffer from this, Israel is no exception. Nor is Hamas, or any terrorist organisation as terrorists are a type of militants.

Plans are made, attacks happen, unforeseen circumstances ensue and new plans emerge, rinse and repeat.

An exit strategy is not a military strategy though and I think while Israel had a clear idea of the objectives it wanted to achieve beyond overthrowing Hamas, the issue now is that it may not be politically acceptable to the UN and wider international community. The US is pushing back on Israel’s stated intentions to have complete military freedom of movement and control of all security in Gaza, which means re-occupying it as a militarised zone under martial law.

Agreed!

And the US have GOT TO push back against this, essentially, in order to maintain any semblance of credibility.

Personally, I think it is "too little, too late" and that irreperable damage may already have been done to the so-called Western led liberal world order.

Maybe, if Ukraine had not happened. But it did!

Why do you think America will draw a line there? I’m genuinely confused by what is going to stop them? The world has no sway on America and America doesn’t care what little angry spoilt brother Israel does in the Middle East. Why would they care about Gaza when they don’t about the occupation in the West Bank.

What Israel is doing in Gaza makes no sense unless their plan is to kill everyone there. I hope that is not the plan.

In a nutshell. What do you think they’re doing day and night? After the atrocities of 7/10, Netanyahu is attempting to divert attention from the fuck-up of the security services on the Israeli border and has embarked on a venge-fest which will probably result in the annihilation of Gaza. And everyone is just watching it happen. And saying that those protesting against it are being disrespectful! WTAF!

Thats fair- but in the context of this thread about the enduring impact on Palestinian children, the longer term plans will be important.

Israeli hasbara has always positioned any Palestinian with being uncivilized, evil and murderous. Even babies 🤔. It's pure racism, and you can see from some posters on here that they have internalised these messages. Before 7/10 approx 50% of Gazan children suffered from chronic PTSD and Lord knows what the situation will be in a years time. I've seen numerous appeals on social media for Arabic speaking psychologists/psychiatrists to do work online as the amount of children who are displaying severe trauma responses is staggering. Children have lost the ability to speak and walk due to shock. It's utterly heartbreaking.

@Hullobaby there ' big terror HQ' is in qatar

🙄 Pointless derail.