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Conflict in the Middle East

I have a question about Palestinian children.

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Rainbowsandbutterflies1990 · 08/11/2023 18:39

What I've been wondering if an innocent child has just had their whole family killed by a bomb, there whole city bombed so they have nothing, how r they going to not being against who is bombing them. There is going to be trauma. They could be against what hamas belives, but they equally could be angry and understandably just in being anti Israel (goverment as that's who is carrying out this) how is it realistic to expect the Palestinians to be happy Israel is taking out hamas. And killing their families, their friends and flattening their cities in the process.

I copied this from another thread as think it's a valid question I have no idea why it's highlighted.

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Stomacharmeleon · 09/11/2023 12:22

@Lucylou876 I never get this argument. Children and adults were minus their heads. No heads. Their heads had become separated from their bodies. Like that nice Thai man..... a Hamas gentlemen took it off with a garden implement whilst he was still alive.... on social media.
They couldn't conclusively say when the heads had been removed as they were then burnt.
Are children minus heads not enough for you? You want conclusive evidence of how they became headless.
As If dead babies would be the line you draw....
Shameful

Mrburnshound · 09/11/2023 12:31

I know, it's so sad. That's why I can't see an end to all this, traumatised children will grow into traumatised adults (on both sides) who will continue the next generation of fighting. Annecdotally I have a friend who grew up alongside a lot of Bosnian children (not UK) and sadly there were a lot of "issues" for the locals caused by the trauma these poor children had seen

Alcemeg · 09/11/2023 12:34

Yes; and yet some people do manage to end the cycle in their own lives, such as Mosab Hassan Yousef.

Lucylou876 · 09/11/2023 13:03

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I think we should probably stop feeding the troll here, but...

Israel tends not to share images of the dead, out of respect for them and their families.

You might find this interesting
Kugel also explained that the age range of the victims spans from 3 months to 80 or 90 years old. Many bodies, including those of babies, are without heads.
Asked if they were decapitated, Kugel answered yes. Although he admits that, given the circumstances, it’s difficult to ascertain whether they were decapitated before or after death, as well as how they were beheaded, “whether cut off by knife or blown off by RPG,” he explained.

https://themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/

Evidence on Display at Israel’s Forensic Pathology Center Confirms Hamas’ Atrocities - The Media Line

Stifling the urge to retch became a difficult […]

https://themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities

notsoready4school · 09/11/2023 15:30

RebekaTuwin · 09/11/2023 00:58

I think it because that is what President Biden has said to the news. Of course, he and his mouthpieces could be lying, but the fact of them briefing it to the world at large is a type of public pushing back.

I really hope you are right.

Stomacharmeleon · 09/11/2023 21:05

@Lucylou876 you have just confirmed my argument in your first line.
The rest I am struggling to understand.....

Ecdysiast · 09/11/2023 21:25

25milesfromhome · 09/11/2023 12:14

One. One person said this. It was rightly reported and deleted. And it referred to Gazans. You know this.
I can never quite work out what you’re getting at, with all this talk of “Others on MN” and “Some on MN” (is there some commonality between these posters you always object to?) often paired with sweeping generalisations, historical revisionism, prejudice or complete falsity and a complaint that free speech these days just ain’t what it used to be.

@25milesfromhome Let me get this straight. You think it's hate speech to say hatred of Jews is in "the DNA" of every Palestinian, but it's perfectly acceptable to say it's in the DNA of every Gazan???

And just to clarify, this racist idea of "they were born to kill Jews" is not something that one sole Mumsnetter believes. It is a racist idea that is much more widespread than that, and a way of dehumanising an entire population and justifying ethnic cleansing.

25milesfromhome · 09/11/2023 22:31

Let me get this straight. You think it's hate speech to say hatred of Jews is in "the DNA" of every Palestinian, but it's perfectly acceptable to say it's in the DNA of every Gazan???

Keep trying. You said Others on MN have said this hatred of Jews is in "the DNA" of every Palestinian. It was one person who specifically said Gazan DNA, not every Palestinian as you claimed. You don’t need to lie or exaggerate and faux outrage is also not required.

I didn’t realise you could mind read but I’ve not actually seen anyone on Mumsnet claim “they [who exactly?] were born to kill Jews” so this appears to be a belief you’ve come up with all by yourself. A racist idea indeed.

Ecdysiast · 09/11/2023 23:10

25milesfromhome · 09/11/2023 22:31

Let me get this straight. You think it's hate speech to say hatred of Jews is in "the DNA" of every Palestinian, but it's perfectly acceptable to say it's in the DNA of every Gazan???

Keep trying. You said Others on MN have said this hatred of Jews is in "the DNA" of every Palestinian. It was one person who specifically said Gazan DNA, not every Palestinian as you claimed. You don’t need to lie or exaggerate and faux outrage is also not required.

I didn’t realise you could mind read but I’ve not actually seen anyone on Mumsnet claim “they [who exactly?] were born to kill Jews” so this appears to be a belief you’ve come up with all by yourself. A racist idea indeed.

@25milesfromhome
I am not interested in pointing fingers or trying to shame specific individuals. If someone says something racist, I will address what they've said without personally attacking them. So if I write "some people on MN have said..." it's because I'm focusing on WHAT they said, not who they are. I think this is consistent with MN talk guidelines, but more than that it's just common decency. If you consider that to be lying or exaggerating so be it.

25milesfromhome · 09/11/2023 23:48

Sure, whatever you want to tell yourself.

BegrudgingLee · 11/11/2023 00:35

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Brrrrrrrrrrrr · 11/11/2023 01:23

By the time Israel has finished with them, Hamas will be nothing more than an urban legend. Hopefully then Palestine can move forward towards peace with Israel.

Noogatcentre · 11/11/2023 01:28

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Ecdysiast · 11/11/2023 01:32

@Brrrrrrrrrrrr This ruthless assault on Gaza has nothing to do with Hamas or hostages. It's the fulfillment of Israel's extreme right parties' lifelong fantasy of eradicating the Palestinians.

Hamas did not even exist until the late 80s - so according to what you've said, there was no obstacle to peace then?

Maybe you should read the mandate of Israel's Religious Zionist Party if you want to identify obstacles to peace.

Brrrrrrrrrrrr · 11/11/2023 01:32

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When those said hospitals are grimly used as cover for terrorists to store munitions and host command centres you really have to question the intentions of those in charge. Using their own civilians as human shields is truly the work of the devil, right?

Ecdysiast · 11/11/2023 01:35

@Brrrrrrrrrrrr A shield is something that protects someone. How the f*#k does a child in a building protect/shield anyone when a bomb drops on that building?

Noogatcentre · 11/11/2023 01:36

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Brrrrrrrrrrrr · 11/11/2023 01:39

Ecdysiast · 11/11/2023 01:32

@Brrrrrrrrrrrr This ruthless assault on Gaza has nothing to do with Hamas or hostages. It's the fulfillment of Israel's extreme right parties' lifelong fantasy of eradicating the Palestinians.

Hamas did not even exist until the late 80s - so according to what you've said, there was no obstacle to peace then?

Maybe you should read the mandate of Israel's Religious Zionist Party if you want to identify obstacles to peace.

It has everything to do with Hamas, everyone knows this. The barbaric atrocity they committed could never have been left unchecked, they messed up and now their citizens are paying a hefty price for their lunacy.

Noogatcentre · 11/11/2023 01:40

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Ecdysiast · 11/11/2023 01:35

@Brrrrrrrrrrrr A shield is something that protects someone. How the f*#k does a child in a building protect/shield anyone when a bomb drops on that building?

You really should look up the meaning of human shields in this context, the same ones those terrorists are hiding behind.

Ecdysiast · 11/11/2023 01:42

@Brrrrrrrrrrrr . I appreciate that as a staunch supporter of Israel your knee jerk reaction is to defend them, but read the political mandate of those in power. It pre-dates the 7th October attack. Just a quick glance at their Wikipedia pages tells you a lot about who is behind this operation:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bezalel_Smotrich

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Gvir