Israel has bombed the front of a hospital

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Israel has bombed the gates of the Al Shalha hospital.

Everyone knows displaced families are sheltering in and near hospitals.

Well, I didn't want to say but it is a bit strange that we are still talking about these babies that Israel were definitely going to swoop in and save from the evil clutches of Hamas. I mean after all Israel would never lie about something like that.

Anyone who still thinks this is about Hamas, cannot have half a brain cell. It clearly is a demolition project for the IDF. It is out of spite and they must hate the Palestinian people.

I don't know any military in any country that could ever stop oxygen for nicu babies. Anyone who can rationalise this has a very disturbed mind. I hope those people aren't mother's.

Are these babies in the same hospital that had the generator hit by Israel, and then the person who went out to fix it was shot in the neck? I think it might be, but losing track of all the different attacks on hospitals. If so, Israel knew very well they were cutting off life support to these babies, seems unlikely they would try to fix the situation now.

@stormy4319trevor yes same hospital

Israel are so obsessed with their own superiority they think anyone in their right mind would believe all this utterly crap propaganda.
Again and again they put stuff out their that a child could think up.

3 nurses have been killed at Al Shifa hospital

No water for 3 days and the hospitals water tank was hit yesterday so everyone patients, staff and sheltering civilians all are at risk of death by de-hydration in the next few days Whilst thousands and thousands of bottles of water [and water tankers] paid for by the international community and intended for this exact sort of situation are being held hostage in Egypt by the Israeli government

It's beyond shameful and utterly utterly cruel And the whole world is watching

Still, understand that staff have been moving beds away from windows and into corridors to try and keep the patients a bit safer - or maybe give more elbow room to the Hamas snipers. You choose

US have said that they 'don't want to see firefights in the hospital' so that's set my mind at rest

Is who pro Hamas as well ? 🤔

Completely fed up of this.

Biden needs to stop enabling his pet because it is out of control.

Netanyahu’s actions do not portray strength to the rest of the world it shows a weak man with a fragile ego REACTING with hate, cruelty and FEAR to a situation in which he sees his pride as the biggest victim.

A man of real integrity and strength would not spread hate throughout the world in this way. An intelligent military operation would not need so many civilian casualties and would understand the consequences of doing so. All this hate and killing is sewing the seeds for new generations of terrorists.

Is this what winning looks like? Killing civilians? Shedding more blood than terrorists? I don’t think so.

Is this what God wants? No.

Any government who supports the narrative that all this is necessary is losing credibility. Stop digging the hole!

And no I don’t have confidence in Israel’s definition of a terrorist and need to kill so many civilians because the US have seen ‘open source’ evidence regarding hospitals. That means nothing, except that the US supports the death of these vulnerable people and babies.

And with regards to the IDF, posting a couple of pictures to prove credibility is frankly pathetic. Why aren’t they getting the babies out? Too many have died already.

I agree PeasfullPerson, there are no winners here.

I feel like I'm watching a relentless march to all out war. Netanyahu's government are not acting in Israel's best interests and escalation may drag many more countries into this conflict. At the end we will only have more death, destruction and suffering to show for it.

The belief that the US can either defend Israel or keep control of this situation is deluded. Biden needs to stop promising US support, I suspect without it Netanyahu wouldn't be issuing threats to Israel's neighbours.

The international community needs to tell Netanyahu to sit down and shut up while the grown ups engage their brains and find a strategy to deal with Hamas without killing thousands and turning this into WW3.

If Netanyahu decides it's up to him how Israel deals with Hamas then he needs to be told he's on his own and god help both the Palestinians and Israelis.

I have to say I think Biden has come out of this looking really weak. His behaviour is beyond disappointing.

I look back and wtf has done Biden during his presidency ? Tho I guess that’s a topic for another thread

I think the EU will call for a ceasefire soon. Macron has done it, and the EU are calling for an immediate pause. The UK will be on its own with the US in supporting this. The US will not suffer much consequence, but I won't be surprised if the UK ends up suffering greatly.

Is this Israel playing some sort of sick cruel joke? When I first saw that they had supposedly offered enough fuel to keep the hospital running for half hour I thought it can't be true and at the time it wasn't verified that's why I didn't even post it on here. But now they have confirmed that's exactly how much they offered! It's like throwing a dying person who you have shot a paracetamol and then claiming they should be grateful for it

From sky
Israel said it had left 300 litres of fuel near the hospital but Hamas had refused it - though earlier Mr al Qidra denied offers of fuel were rejected and said 300 litres would only keep the hospital going for half an hour.
He told Reuters 8,000 to 10,000 litres are needed per day and said it should be delivered by the Red Cross or another aid agency.

The call for a ceasefire is only that, Israel do not have to comply. And considering the amount of international laws and conventions it has consistently broke over the last decades without any sign of remorse, I think it will be a case of "Hamas are still out there, we have no choice".

There are between 600 and 650 inpatients at Shifa, as well as 200 to 500 health workers, and about 1,500 displaced people seeking shelter there

World Health Organization

@Efacsen it's terrible
Israel is just saying empty gestures without giving any way how this can be applied, its just to placate the outrage by the international community

1. We offered fuel but how much? Enough to run the hospital for half hour
2. We said they can evacuate the patients. But to where? There are no other hospitals running at a capacity to take them all and they are still continuously shelling around the hospital.

I think you are being disingenuous. The assertion that their war has as its aim the eradication of the Palestinians doesn’t bear out because if that was the case they could simply annihilate, with far greater effectiveness, the entire population.

At the moment, their stated aim of the elimination of Hamas and in particular the Hamas leadership is borne out by both their actions and all reports from the last decade about Hamas doctrine and reported activity.

If Hamas cared about Palestinian lives they would create their infrastructure of resistance away from hospitals and other buildings. But they don’t, and they won’t, because they want Palestinians dead. That’s what Hamas want- it’s their tactic for undermining support for Israel (and let’s face it- it works).

If they cared about Palestinians, they would allow refugees to flee towards Egypt. But they won’t, because if there is no civilian coverage, they know they’re done for.

You’re right- it is not a battle between equals. The IDF and IAF vastly out-man, out-spend and out-gun Hamas. So they cannot face them in symmetric warfare, and so use asymmetric warfare, along with human shields in order to try and counter Israel’s significantly superior military might. But that’s why civilians are dying. Because that’s Hamas tactic to counter the fact that Israel are the superior force.

If a terrorist grabs a hostage and threatens to destroy everyone around them, and someone attempts to kill them, and in the process kills the hostage, who is to blame? I mean for sure- it is entirely desirable to save the hostage if you can, but if the terrorist will make that as difficult as possible. I blame the person who uses human shields.

Is this Israel playing some sort of sick cruel joke?

I've thought this from the start. I can't think of another conflict where a country has imprisoned the civilian population of its enemy and then claimed the moral high ground because they warned the citizens they were going to bomb them so they needed to leave.

Safely escaping from the conflict zone in any war is difficult but it is sick when the people killing you make it literally impossible but pretend you have choices.

Offering a grossly insufficient amount of fuel which the hospital had to collect if they wanted it just seems like the IDF are actually laughing at the poor people trapped in Al Shifa. And then to claim they refused it FFS. I got the impression Netanyahu was trying to make out the IDF tried to help but the hospital staff just wouldn't help themselves.

There is nothing humane about the IDF's treatment of civilians in Gaza.

The entire world is watching this sick joke but few of our leaders have the back bone to stand up and say they don't find it funny.

@Hiddenmnetter"I think you are being disingenuous. The assertion that their war has as its aim the eradication of the Palestinians doesn’t bear out because if that was the case they could simply annihilate, with far greater effectiveness, the entire population."

Curious to know what method you are suggesting they could use here?

I’m guessing here- but destroy every single building. Raze everything to the ground, and leave nothing standing. Not only would that result in extremely high casualties, it would also make it harder to be attacked again after the fact.

That they aren’t suggests they’re not willing to control the area- they want to destroy specific targets, and then want to be gone, because buildings left up like that are going to be nests of problems in the future. It makes me think they’re essentially unwilling to have a full scale invasion, but are relying on air superiority.

As someone previously mentioned up-thread, the IDF are notoriously unwilling to suffer casualties. So sending in mass amounts of troops seems like it's unlikely.

They seem to be doing a pretty good job of razing everything to the ground as it is tbh.

I wonder if the Hamas use as their playbook the Zionist tactics used against the British and the Palestininas in the 30s?

When the Zionists first started their terrorist campaign before winning and becoming the State of Israel.

I wonder if Hamas leadership think - well why not? It worked for them?

Lets experiment a bit with your post and see if any of it fits? The IDF and IAF vastly out-man (British Army/British Empire in the 30s), out-spend and out-gun Hamas (Zionist terrorists). So they cannot face them in symmetric warfare, and so use asymmetric warfare, along with human shields in order to try and counter Israel’s (British Empire) significantly superior military might. But that’s why civilians are dying. Because that’s Hamas (Zionists) tactic to counter the fact that Israel (Brisish Empire) are the superior force.

The depravity and cruelty of the State of Israel in this moment has the same Nationalist smell as Russian. It has White Supremency all over it.

It is not defense.

It is ethnic cleansing and a land grab.

If they cared about Palestinians, they would allow refugees to flee towards Egypt. But they won’t, because if there is no civilian coverage, they know they’re done for.

Why keep repeating this?
Does Egypt want a million people pouring over it's border?

The Palestinians that fled to Jordon are still there because Israel will not let them back in.
How many Rights of Return groups would like in the world?

Have you seen footage of Gaza? More than 50% of residential buildings are now rubble. As Dr Mads Gilbert said, this is a slow motion genocide. This way, with intermittent shouts of "Hamas!" "Human shields!" "Beheaded babies!" some support of Israel will be enough. Even the US, the biggest Israeli brown nosers are saying there has been too many civilian casualties. If Israel did drop a nuclear weapon and wipe out Palestinians in one go there would be WWIII, and I think it would be the end of Israel. The world can only sit and watch so much brutal carnage before going mad.