How do prevent the rise of anti Semitic feeling in the UK?

[mids2019]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12705139/Jewish-ambassador-says-London-feels-safe-Israel-jihad-ideology-exploded-capitals-streets.html

Will the continuous marches in London lead to an environment where anti semitism becomes acceptable? There has been a massive rise in hate crime against Jews and surely in the UK we have a duty to prevent any platform which may lead to unjustified hatred of a group in the UK?

I feel we should feel pride we have a diverse society with a while range of ethnicities and religions but we should always act to encourage social cohesion by not allowing events that could contain messages of hate.

Although the support of the Palestinian people is absolutely reasonable in terms of free speech in a democratic society and it is reasonable to comment on the actions of the Israeli state at times the marches in a lot of major British cities have the danger of including terrorist apologists.

Apparently even when found and dealt with, it is only temporary. Then they gloat.

Just glad this one isn't in the UK. Apparently we have enough dodgy doctors in the NHS already judging by the tweets about the pogrom and TV interviews we have seen from some doctors here

Apparently the man who murdered MP Sir David Amess had also scouted out Mike Freer's constituency office as a potential target.

It must be absolutely terrifying to have your office attacked in such a way and to receive death threats in the context of two MPs having been murdered in recent years.

I am trying not to jump to conclusions about this one

Stamford Hill

https://twitter.com/Shomrim/status/1741172985732493707

This makes me feel sick to even post, sorry I can't put a warning on the image as I need to just add it on images

Apparently fuckwits think it is OK to doctor a Holocaust image to make a point. These people are not only antisemitisc for doing this but sick fuckwits

This brings up emotion in me that I can't even put into words
To think the scum people who actually thought it was OK to create this are walking the same streets as me and you

That's one of the most upsetting I've seen and it's not even been deleted. I was bracing myself expecting it to have a lot of likes/shares but thankfully it hasn't (1 like). The rest of their account is a bin fire of Hamas-love and probably needs police intervention.

Sorry I can't even bare to look at it properly myself but I thought people need to see what some think is OK

The holocaust victims were my cousins and relatives. The memory of the victims is not OK to be used in this way. Definitely people should not doctor the images of the victims to highlight any cause at all. It is not OK.

This one isn't upsetting bit it is very mucked up. Are these people supposed to be adults. I mean this is the work of someone that has a screw lose. That is before you even get to the fact that others post it or the Jew hate which is obvious by the things it labels even if you put Israel or Zionist aside.

That's deranged. Imagine taking the time to actually create that. I can't work out if they actually believe all their Zionist conspiracy stuff and are too far gone now, or if they know most of it's a load of baloney but conveniently supports their Jew-hate.

(And no surprise the username is Jezza)

Terrible. The White v Right poster is dreadful too

Some people just want to protest against "the system" I suppose, so latch on to that cause without giving it enough thought.

That really upset me. Can it be removed? From social media I mean?

I hope the image does get removed and whoever is responsible gets sacked, fined and has the worse 2024 imaginable.

I doubt any of that will happen but I can live in hope

Absolutely disgusting images. I also had family in the Holocaust. The fact that their image could be used to desecrate modern-day Jewish people is vile.

I am not a Zionist. I don't believe Britain had the right to give Palestinian land to Israel in 1948, nor do I believe that Israel has the right to build settlements in Palestinian territory. That said, Israel legally exists now, so they have as much right to their current state as Palestine is to it's territory. And based on the vitriol being spewed by what appears to be a larger portion of the population than I initially thought, I now think a Jewish homeland needs to exist because so many would happily rid the world of people born like me.

How much is anti semitism spreading in schools? I was quite glad in a way my daughter's school removed a pro Palestinian badge from a school girl and sent her home for the day. The badge may have been simply a flag but schools really should be vigilant to stop any purported support for Palestinians morphing into something darker.

I've said before that Gaza seems to have given carte Blanche to anti-Semitism in The UK as evidenced by the incredible increases in hate speech and attacks and would think schools may have a positive role to play in terms of education about Judaism in RE lessons as well as unambiguously describing Israel as a state.

I do get the impression that a combination of tik tok and an impressionable Muslim youth is generating a culture of hate towards Jews that should be actively looked at possibly along the lines of the PREVENT strategy. I have already had to direct my daughter to main stream media sources for informed discussion of the current was as social media has allowed her to start to get an incorrect and harmful narrative of the conflict.

@mids2019 Much of the hate towards Jewish people that I have seen is not coming from Muslims. While some has (I have seen plenty on social media), most has not and has been from the far left. I wouldn't be surprised if it is because Muslims are also targets for hate crimes.

I agree that yes some of the hate is coming from the more exstemist types in the Muslim community. Definitely some of the more physical stuff on marches or attacks seem to have a high level of this group. However I see more Jew hate signs on the marches and social media hate coming from the left than the Muslim community. Also currently the celebrities and political idiots that are causing the biggest divide and most Jew hate are those on the very far left.

In London what I am seeing is on march or protest days large numbers of the more exstemist Islamic people are getting coached here from areas such as Bradford and Bristol. Therefore what we are seeing there is not quite what it seems.

Definitely young people are getting targeted online. However I think it is majority targeted a lot at not Muslim youth but young people of colour. There are obviously a far amount of targeting at Muslim people too though.

I work in a multicultural London state secondary school, around 1500 students

Our students have been pretty good and know we don't tolerate any racism or prejudice. Everyone must respect each others differences and have tolerance for different beliefs. They are not allowed to display any political symbols for any cause. Since September we have only had one SEN boy draw a Palestinian flag on his hand. The next day it was gone because someone reminded him of our long term rules. The students really are not discussing the conflict with anyone but their own close friends too. Even then my 6th form son tells be most students think they were lied to in 2021 on social media about the conflict. Therefore they don't want to get involved in all the debate now. However obviously everyone is upset about the deaths on both sides and hostages

The issue with education about Jews in school seems to be that students are not taught much about Jewish people. I my school they teach them about the Holocaust in a very clean cut don't upset anyone way. Books like the boy in the stripped pyjamas are still used for English, heaven help us. In RS it is just the basics about Judaism. In history they touch on the holocaust again but it isn't for long and again clean cut to not upset anyone. So what we are teach non Jewish children about Jewish people is the basic of what Judaism is and the basics of the holocaust but not much facts.

I think this lack of education about Jewish people is a massive problem. We see a lot of adults that simply don't understand what a Jewish person is, we have all seen it on here. A lot of people don't believe the holocaust was as bad as it was or that many people could have died. This is partly because they think people are saying that many Jews went to the gas chambers, nobody has told them about massacres and Jewish people being shot on mass besides large pits etc. Schools definitely are not teaching about how Jewish people live and that means some people that are scared of difference behave a certain way. We all know how our Jewish ways have caused tropes and violence towards our people in history.

@Trulywonderful I would agree that a lack of balanced education contributes to ignorance, prejudice and ultimately hatred. The lack of education about diverse faiths and people is a real concern.

Educating people does seem to help break down some barriers if they're willing to listen. For example, I saw someone preparing for a protest with what immediately struck me as an anti-Semitic design. When I asked them about it, it became apparent that they had no idea why it was so offensive. They didn't bring it to any further protests once they learned why it was so bad.

Yes that is just it. I believe some of the antisemitic things we are seeing are by people that just don't understand they are being antisemitic. I see this at the protest when people post videos and on mumsnet.

Here myself and others have spent weeks on threads explaining why some things are Jew hate or why some words shouldn't be used. It has been made more difficult than it should have been as well by some posters popping on to the antisemitism threads to try and say we were just say all criticism of the Israeli government is antisemitisc. Which we really were not doing and don't believe.

On the signs thread we got people saying but that sign isn't antisemitisc at some of the photos. Then once we explained that actually talking about Jewish people even Israel or the Israel government in terms of nazis or the holocaust is antisemitism. Trust me we had to break it down in detail why etc but a fair few people could then see the issue. Then agreed that tbese things were best avoided and other things could be written on the sins. Obviously some still refused to see that just not referring to nazis or the holocaust was best, evenif you explained it also detracted from their cause. However I do believe it was educational for a fair few people. I did notice some people stop referring to the nazis and the holocaust to describe things. So worth the time we all spent on those threads.

Within my own multicultural area I often have people say to me that I am not like most Jews. This is because they only have social media or what they have heard from a few dodgy people in their own community to go off. My answer is that all my family and most the Jewish people I have ever met are pretty similar to myself about life and family. We also just like everyone else vary in political views etc. This seems to surprise a far few people.

I have cropped the photo on this post because it is of an orthodox Jewish man with Down's syndrome. I don't want to be like the idiot poster here and use his image online without his consent

Apparently mocking a Jewish person/people with Down's syndrome is ok according to this fuckwit anyway

That's vile.

@Trulywonderful

thank you for your post and I agree education is of importance in combating all forms of racism.

the importance of teaching people about Judaism is that if you don't people will fill in the gaps with an incorrect and possibly malicious view. I know from my area within some families there is a completely unbalanced narrative given to children around Israel and Jews in general and without education the danger is such views become ingrained and viewed as 'mainstream' within parts of the community.

I understand the need to keep overtly political symbolism out of schools. I am an advocate for free speech but symbol s o r flags could be viewed as a form of intimidation. I would not be particularly comfortable as an Israeli student in the UK if significant number of students were showing signs of Paletinian "airport's. given the recent events of October 7th.

I don't always agree with Hen's views or opinions but I do on this one. He has worded this better than I could, so I will post what he says:

"Harvard's president, Claudine Gay, has just announced that she will be resigning.

Dr. Gay has been heavily criticized for her response to Hamas' October 7th attacks and her refusal to condemn calls for Jewish genocide.

I'm sure all of you expect me to go on here and do a happy dance, but I'm honestly not sure how to feel right now. I obviously disagree with Dr. Gay and the way she has handled everything about the Hamas-Israel war, but this isn't the outcome I wanted. I wanted her to see the antisemitism and do something about it, realize how badly her Jewish students were hurting. I don't need everyone to agree with me 100% for me to want them to keep their jobs. Instead of canceling people, we should educate them.

It's also difficult because, from all the sources I've read, this is far more about her alleged plagiarism than about antisemitism. So, it's not even about protecting Jewish students. Her replacement might act in exactly the same way because that's not the main problem the school had with her.

I wish it didn't have to come to this just for Jewish students to receive a little human decency."

https://twitter.com/HenMazzig/status/1742258198457770192

Quite a lot to unpack here from these 2 'antiracist' morons but it's the "even more than usual" that absolutely ended me.

Just say Jews, Saira

https://twitter.com/aziz0nomics/status/1742169073780183416