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Conflict in the Middle East

Israel confirms

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Ohlalalalala · 31/10/2023 18:37

Refugee camps are supposed to be safe havens for refugees.

Can't edit the title. Meant to say Israel confirms bombing the refugee camp.

Israel confirms
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flufferknutter · 31/10/2023 21:04

ChickHenLittle · 31/10/2023 21:02

This.

The desperate accusations make it quite obvious how difficult it is getting to defend what the IDF are doing.

I have a feeling that this time, they're not getting away with it. Finally. The world sees what is happening and it (majority, at least) isn't behind the Israeli government.

I'm really cringing for them tbh. What sort of an existence is it to be so morally and spiritually bankrupt and destroyed that they stoop so low as to defend the slaughter and the gaslighting by the Israeli army?

FOJN · 31/10/2023 21:07

Queucumber · 31/10/2023 20:58

Hamas use the civilian population as human shields. They freely admit to using hospitals and schools as cover.

And yet a 2009 Amnesty report was unable to find evidence of this but did find evidence of the IDF using Palestinians as human shields against Hamas. The Israeli Supreme Court ruled it unlawful but testimony of former IDF soldiers suggests it still goes on.

ChickHenLittle · 31/10/2023 21:08

flufferknutter · 31/10/2023 21:04

I'm really cringing for them tbh. What sort of an existence is it to be so morally and spiritually bankrupt and destroyed that they stoop so low as to defend the slaughter and the gaslighting by the Israeli army?

Exactly, and the immediate response of "that's antisemitic!" very much undermines the genuine issue of antisemitism.

CatsArePawesome · 31/10/2023 21:09

Yes- Amnesty found it’s the IDF who actually use human shields. Louder for the bigots at the back!

The Hamas beheaded babies statement was immediately recalled.

Too many genocide apologists on this forum.

Killing their friends and relatives isn’t going to make Palestinians OK with Israel. The whole ‘justification’ for this genocide is flawed on so many levels. And I think they know that.

It’s all thinly veiled bigotry.

This isn’t my first rodeo alas and I see the UK media and politicians already doubling down their efforts to support Israel, as always.

Queucumber · 31/10/2023 21:10

In my opinion, no. The problem is that no nation state whose citizens have been targeted in a horrific terrorist attack is going to have the self restraint to sit back and do nothing because those same terrorists are using their countrymen as shields. Even Hamas knew that, which is why they deliberately took Israeli hostages.

The underground tunnels built in the Gaza Strip are to protect the Hamas "fighters" and the responsibility to protect the civilians is with the United Nations and Israel, a Hamas official told Russia Today TV.
The clip of the interview, translated into English by Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri) TV, shows Hamas official Mousa Abu Marzouk saying, "Protecting Gaza civilians is the responsibility of the United Nations (UN) and Israel."
We have built the tunnels to protect ourselves from getting targeted and killed. These are meant to protect us from the airplanes," Marzouk said, adding that they have no other options but to fight from tunnels.
Citing the Geneva Conventions, the Hamas official said, "It is the responsibility of the UN to provide them with all the services as long as they are under occupation."

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 21:10

NotSuchASmugMarried · 31/10/2023 20:56

Think about it.

There is no military advantage to bombing a refugee camp is there? What military leader would kill refugees who pose no threat to them and leave Hamas alive to continue to fight them? Would you call that good military leadership? Those rockets cost £50,000 each.

There is, however, a military advantage in bombing senior Hamas commanders and wiping out their bases.

Hamas are vile - why don't they come out into the open and fight?

What about bakeries
And hospitals
And journalists
And families of journalists
And so on and so forth
You get the gist

Israel confirms
flufferknutter · 31/10/2023 21:11

ChickHenLittle · 31/10/2023 21:08

Exactly, and the immediate response of "that's antisemitic!" very much undermines the genuine issue of antisemitism.

Totally.

They must think we're stupid. Not as stupid as they're looking right now.

Thank your government! Dropped you right in it haven't they? Give it up, I think things have moved on now. Repent and earn a decent living instead.

Queucumber · 31/10/2023 21:14

Is there independent evidence to back up the claims?Anecdotal and other evidence does suggest that Hamas and other factions have used civilian objects including hospitals and schools. Guardian journalists in 2014 encountered armed men inside one hospital, and sightings of senior Hamas leaders inside the Shifa hospital have been documented.
During the 2014 conflict the UN reported weapons were found inside two UN schools and there have been numerous reports of Palestinian armed factions in Gaza firing rockets and other weapons from close to protected civilian locations. It is also clear that Hamas has operated from residential buildings.
Making the issue more complicated, however, is the nature of Gaza and conflict there. As the territory consists mostly of an extremely dense urban environment, it is perhaps not surprising that Hamas operates in civilian areas.
International law also makes clear that even if an armed force is improperly using civilian objects to shield itself, its opponent is still required to protect civilians from disproportionate harm.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/human-shield-israel-claim-hamas-command-centre-under-hospital-palestinian-civilian-gaza-city

What is a human shield and how has Hamas been accused of using them?

Israel claims group has placed command centre under hospital and is deliberately shielding behind Palestinian civilians

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/30/human-shield-israel-claim-hamas-command-centre-under-hospital-palestinian-civilian-gaza-city

NotSuchASmugMarried · 31/10/2023 21:15

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 21:10

What about bakeries
And hospitals
And journalists
And families of journalists
And so on and so forth
You get the gist

I don't understand your question

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 21:17

NotSuchASmugMarried · 31/10/2023 21:15

I don't understand your question

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Does the military have any advantage bombing these as they have bombed plenty of them too
You know a 5th of UN bakeries

Pinkflamingopants · 31/10/2023 21:19

@WeightWhat how many children do you think have been killed by the Israeli government over the past 3 weeks? When is enough to call it quits? And bore off with the ‘so much anti semetism’. It’s not anti semetic to criticise the IDF bombing a refugee camp FFS

NotSuchASmugMarried · 31/10/2023 21:21

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 21:17

Does the military have any advantage bombing these as they have bombed plenty of them too
You know a 5th of UN bakeries

Well, that would depend on whether or not Hamas were using them as shields wouldn't it? If they were, then yes, it would be advantageous to Israel to bomb them and if they weren't, then no, it wouldn't be advantageous to Israel to bomb them. I would have thought that was obvious.

Zygoma · 31/10/2023 21:23

Now the IDF have admitted to murdering refugees, hopefully more of the world will wake up and try and work towards stopping this massacre.

None of this is going to have positive results. Not for the innocent people living in Israel or Palestine.

It is like Netanyahu has lost control. He needs reining in by someone with common sense and a brain. I don’t expect these people in power to have a heart, but do any intelligent Israeli leaders think this is going to make Israel safer for them in the long run??

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 21:23

NotSuchASmugMarried · 31/10/2023 21:21

Well, that would depend on whether or not Hamas were using them as shields wouldn't it? If they were, then yes, it would be advantageous to Israel to bomb them and if they weren't, then no, it wouldn't be advantageous to Israel to bomb them. I would have thought that was obvious.

So the 5th of UN bakeries that were bombed by Israel were being used as Hamas hideouts? Right under the UN's nose?

Israel is hellbent on destroying Gaza's infrastructure
And it's use of well Hamas was there is really wearing out

immigrant002 · 31/10/2023 21:25

ATerrorofLeftovers · 31/10/2023 20:52

Why was the refugee camp situated over key Hamas tunnels?

If they know the "tunnels" are there why they told people to move south ?

Twopotatoes · 31/10/2023 21:26

You know Palestinians have to show their dicapitated and mutilated babies when they are found bombed under the rubble on social media to prove they are real humans and still the mainstream media and our politicians dehumanises them.
People are quick to call anyone who criticises Israel as antisemites but won't actually condemn Israel for the genocide and starvation of Palestinian people. Why would they bomb a refugee camp 😭😭😭😭
I'm so done with the world. We need peace 😪

Zygoma · 31/10/2023 21:26

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 21:23

So the 5th of UN bakeries that were bombed by Israel were being used as Hamas hideouts? Right under the UN's nose?

Israel is hellbent on destroying Gaza's infrastructure
And it's use of well Hamas was there is really wearing out

Yep. I think we need some evidence now of Hamas concealing themselves in all these hidey holes.

It’s like the murderous hunt for the mythical weapons of mass distraction all over again.

Hamas doesn’t give a shit about anyone either. Its leaders are probably safe in a luxury hotel somewhere in the Middle East.

I hate all of them.

Zygoma · 31/10/2023 21:27

Twopotatoes · 31/10/2023 21:26

You know Palestinians have to show their dicapitated and mutilated babies when they are found bombed under the rubble on social media to prove they are real humans and still the mainstream media and our politicians dehumanises them.
People are quick to call anyone who criticises Israel as antisemites but won't actually condemn Israel for the genocide and starvation of Palestinian people. Why would they bomb a refugee camp 😭😭😭😭
I'm so done with the world. We need peace 😪

The demand for evidence is always one way. I believed every story I read about the tragic Israeli victims who were attacked by Hamas. It seems cruel not to believe that Palestinians are dying in hordes.

NotSuchASmugMarried · 31/10/2023 21:29

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 21:23

So the 5th of UN bakeries that were bombed by Israel were being used as Hamas hideouts? Right under the UN's nose?

Israel is hellbent on destroying Gaza's infrastructure
And it's use of well Hamas was there is really wearing out

I can't help you there Parking. I have no idea where Hamas hideout.

JSMill · 31/10/2023 21:30

ATerrorofLeftovers · 31/10/2023 20:52

Why was the refugee camp situated over key Hamas tunnels?

What a stupid comment

JSMill · 31/10/2023 21:31

Roste · 31/10/2023 20:51

They simply don’t care and have lost any semblance of humanity . Shame on them and same on ‘ ‘leaders’ like Sunak who want them to ‘win’ and send empty condolences to the Palestinians.

Exactly

Parkingt111 · 31/10/2023 21:32

Amnesty has called on Israel to be taken to account on their war crimes
Illegal use of white phosphorus

Israel confirms
helpddgrow · 31/10/2023 21:33

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Ohlalalalala · 31/10/2023 21:36

Disregarding basic rules of war increasingly becoming the norm: UN refugee head

Addressing the UN Security Council, Filippo Grandi has once again appealed to the deadlocked members to support a humanitarian ceasefire.

"One must hope that a ceasefire becomes the first step towards embarking again, finally, on the path towards a solution," he said, adding that Israel-Palestine peace has been "repeatedly and deliberately neglected".

"I hope that now, amidst the horrors of war, we can at least see how grave a miscalculation that has been," he said. "There will be no peace in the region, and in the world, without a just solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including the end of the Israeli occupation".

Disregarding basic rules of war increasingly becoming the norm: UN refugee head

Addressing the UN Security Council, Filippo Grandi has once again appealed to the deadlocked members to support a humanitarian ceasefire.“One must hope that ...

https://youtu.be/8uT35QIfmm4?feature=shared

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Roste · 31/10/2023 21:37

There is so much anti-semitism everywhere it is crazy.
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‘THEY’ do care. They need Hamas over so no more beheaded babies. No one thinks that won’t come at a high cost. But surely you direct your anger towards Hamas?

Read your reply back to yourself and see if you can keep a straight face. Plonker.