Hatred of the Jewish Community

[Yoohoo778611]

Im not as educated as some people. Can't understand why in this day and age
people should be at war. I'm not on anyone's side. I feel so sad for the innocent people in this conflict. I know it's a couldren in the middle east.
But how can Hamas and Iserael think what they are doing is right.

Can someone tell me why the Jews have been hated since the beginning of time.
Wandering the deserd according to the bible.
Even in Shakespeare think 'merchant of Venice'
Just in the modern times think 'Hitler' who tried to destroy them.
Last night somewhere in Russia a plane from Iserael was stormed and the mob wanted to kill the Jews on board.

True - it's just that there are a suspiciously large number of threads on the Middle East topic that start with similar wording "Excuse my ignorance " or "I'm not well educated" or "i dont know much about history" etc but could someone please explain to me [insert something emotive about the conflict].

The OP then comes back maybe just once or twice but otherwise doesn't engage much.

My concern is that genuine responders are being played and the intention of the OP is not to genuinely seek information but to create a post that will degenerate into an emotive whaboutery rant that hardens existing views, divides opinions further and makes any reasoned compromise that much harder to reach.

I don't understand it either, same for any form of racism. I understand the history and can understand the causes of resentment and anger. I just don't understand how anyone can see or hear a cultural identifier and then judge everyone as the same. I don't understand why people don't question generational bias and decide for themselves to let go of millennia old resentment. I don't understand and I probably never will. There are bad people, yes but they come from all walks of life.

This is such nonsense. Israel had to be created because of antisemitism. Antisemitism goes back centuries. How many massacres and pogroms before the Holocaust do you need to understand this? How was what happened in Russia the result of people making a foreign policy statement about the actions of the Israeli government? This is victim blaming. If it was the actions of the Israeli government that were at the root of antisemitism why would jews in this country get harassed? Get real people.

@TeacupKitty Sadly it is the actions of Israel that have created this animosity in recent times.

This sums up antisemitism for me. So casual. So embedded.

@TeacupKitty
Just out of interest, what do you think was the reason for Jews being kicked out of eg Iraq before Israel was established? Seeing as you think antisemitism only exists nowadays because of Israel.

This is absolutely true of a depressing number of threads recently and I admit that I did a search on the OP before posting and didn't get any "off" vibe at all (sorry OP, there have been some really appalling threads and comments)

I think though one can forget that other people sometimes don't know stuff that you do and posting facts does no harm, even if a bad actor is behind the query.

@eardefender totally agree. The actions of Israel give a green light to the anti semites.

Just out of interest, if you don’t mind my asking, are you Jewish @eardefender ? I’m not (although did live in Israel for a few months) so I don’t feel I pick up on casual anti semitism. I am noticing it more though since it was brought to my attention.

Didn’t Jews in Iraq generally live peacefully amongst Muslims and Christians until after Israel was created?

Hence why Iraq had the largest Jewish population in the Middle East before Israel.

I can accept the statement that racism is taken more seriously than antisemitism, but only in the sense that the average person seems to be more offended to be called the former. That does not translate to more empathy being shown to visible minorities, people are often fine with the racism just not the accusation. While there is a lot of great allyship, there is also a lot that is performative. If racism was taken as seriously as some pp suggest you’d expect to see better life outcomes for some groups of visible minorities.

I know I’ve done it myself, but I actually think it is incredibly unhelpful to compare the experiences of discrimination between different groups. Anti black racism, anti Asian racism, Islamophobia, antisemitism, discrimination faced by travellers etc all present very differently and when we start comparing invariably the experiences of one group end up being dismissed or minimised. That is not how we uplift each other. I don’t look at how any other minority group is treated in the UK and think that that should be the gold standard. The problem all minorities face, (even the white ones) is that we’re operating in a society where there are pervasive white supremacist that exclude and demean us.

To be clear I’m not attributing discrimination to white people only. I do recognise that there is a lot of antisemitism coming from members of other minority groups too. I’m not trying to dismiss that, it’s just from my point of view the lack of state action is not because they particular care about visible minority groups. British Jews are just being given the same lackadaisical lack of care as other minorities.

I think there has always been discrimination of Jews. Yes it started during Biblical times. I have a theory that they were othered by strict Christians personally; seeing as they were blamed for the crucifixion of Jesus, not listening to Moses and that blame stuck and was propagated to tropes that we see in the media etc. For many many years, Jews lived peacefully in the Middle East more a very long time. The Europeans were a different story though.

Also, Jews were othered by many because they stuck together, and for mainstream christian individuals, they saw that as threatening. They saw that the lack of integration as threatening. Jews were not allowed in certain jobs as a result and so picked professions they could take with them so to speak. So many families started small jewellery businesses, because at a drop of a hat, if under threat they can pick up pieces and go. Jewish people are a part of a very strong community and look out for on another. Unfortunately some people see that as threatening too, and conflate that with nepotism/networking etc. This fuels the anti semitic tropes that we hear about when it comes to 'control'.

As many could not find jobs in mainstream professions, they would go to professions that were creative I suppose; comedy, music, stage, film were avenues that were more inclusive.

The Jewish faith values cleanliness- I've heard somewhere that the Jews were becoming suspect during the plague as they did not contract it as badly as others, as they were cleaner (is true for travellers in Europe too)

They are typically scapegoated for that.
Happy to be corrected but these are all bits of things I have picked up over the yers through reading and documentaries

Some Jews in Iraq stayed until the 1970s before they were forced out, yes. In fact, I met someone who didn't leave until the late 90s, which I found unusual! Others were forced out long before Israel was established. They were second class citizens all along, some just put up with it a lot longer than others. There were also events like the Fargud pogrom in 1941, so before Israel. Some of my family had already left before that though as it had been made clear to them they weren't welcome.

No you’re right, there were some anti semitic events before Israel.

My family are Iraqi Muslims and they have always talked about what happened to the Jews in Iraq as being a real shame as the ordinary person had a normal relationship with them. Many Jews left Iraq very reluctantly. I also once dated an Iraqi Jew whose family left Iraq in the late 90s so there were definitely a handful who put it off as long as possible, but don’t think any are left since the invasion.

My in-laws left in the 1970s and they still speak fondly of their lives there :) They all worked for various Muslim family-owned companies and were treated like a party of the family. It was all very integrated (minus them not being allowed passports etc) but it simply got too dangerous for them so they left. Some of them weren't so lucky and were executed in the town square. Have you seen Remember Baghdad on Netflix? You and your family might find it interesting. I'm sure none of it will be new information to any of you, but might still be of interest!

Sorry, none of that was really relevant to the topic at hand, was it 😅 Just always nice to "meet" someone who knows a bit of what my family might have experienced!

In answer
Its just a Google away
From explanations at Holocaust Museum to many other reputable sites.

Another site

However the historical reasons for anti semitism don’t really account for
why there were problems with the flight from Tel Aviv arriving at the airport in Russia

That Is because of what Israel are doing to Palestinians in Gaza ……obviously!

Are you joking?

The key word here is "reportedly". Every single Palestinian who is shot, tortured, sexually abused at the hands of Israel has "reportedly" committed a terrible crime. Believe me, if he'd stabbed a soldier he would gave been killed there and then, he wouldn't have had a chance to even turn around.
Just today a Palestinian man was shot in the back of the head by settlers whilst picking olives with his wife and children. She said they were sitting under the trees having lunch, settlers ran after them firing shots so they ran away. He was hit from behind and killed. This group of settlers said he was waving a gun around so they shot him in self defence. Unluckily for them, someone captured the whole thing on his mobile. The settlers literally arrived in a mob and started firing at this family. A lawyer said they will face no repercussions. Palestinians are always "reportedly" the "perpetrators".

lets not forget Palestinians who are stripped, tied up, burnt and sodomised by Israeli settlers.

Lets not forget………all with proof!

Apologies @feralunderclass that was for @WomanOfTheWoods

No, it's because the people attacking the plane are anti-Semetic cunts.

A large group of Muslim people charging into an airport arriving from Tel Aviv at this point in time is quite obviously a reaction to what is happening in Gaza.

One thing of present concern is anti semitism being shielded within some of the marches being held here in the UK. Though the majority of pro Palestine are perfectly peace abiding it cannot be denied that some are actively promoting anti Jewish views often in plain sight of police. It must be extremely concerning for Jews in this country to have to witness such virulent displays of hatred and think there may be a pull towards such views because of the present conflict.

Pro Palestinian views can morph into something a lot darker and ultimately hatred of Jews for some of these is no restraint. I actually feel there is an argument to limit such marches until it is assured that there is no anti Semitic voice within these crowds. If we do not do this as allow a public festering of anti Jewish feeling and there is somehow justification as it being conflated with public protest.

we also need to avoid hyperbole about the actions of Israel in this grim conflict. Israel is not ethnically cleansing Gaza or commiting genocide. Yes, unfortunately there are civilian deaths in a war of this nature but that is certainly.different to.deliberate and systematic targeting of civilians (as Hamas demosntrated). Using exaggerated language leads to the perception Israel and by extension Jews actively wish for the destruction of a population which is very much not the case.

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I think a good way to gauge anti semitism.is to pin an Israeli flag.pin to your lapel or to overly.wear a star.of.David and see the reaction of people who you would come into contact with in day to at life.