Hatred of the Jewish Community

[Yoohoo778611]

Im not as educated as some people. Can't understand why in this day and age
people should be at war. I'm not on anyone's side. I feel so sad for the innocent people in this conflict. I know it's a couldren in the middle east.
But how can Hamas and Iserael think what they are doing is right.

Can someone tell me why the Jews have been hated since the beginning of time.
Wandering the deserd according to the bible.
Even in Shakespeare think 'merchant of Venice'
Just in the modern times think 'Hitler' who tried to destroy them.
Last night somewhere in Russia a plane from Iserael was stormed and the mob wanted to kill the Jews on board.

DH certainly has, after a big argument some years ago, must have been something in the news, after which I did some research as hadn’t really looked into the history properly before, most of which he didn’t know. His family not so much but I don’t have a lot to do with them these days thankfully and we moved away from the community.

There was an article in the news yesterday about a Palestinian teen who was shot in Jerusalem by Israeli soldiers, very much in the vein that the Israelis were the aggressors and he was shot for no reason but halfway down as if it wasn’t really important, it was mentioned that the boy had reportedly stabbed an Israeli police officer. Obviously it is terrible that a teenage boy had lost his life but hello, he was running amok with a knife having already stabbed a police officer in a time of extreme tension. Were the Israelis supposed to let him carry on or wait to disarm him peacefully at the risk of more people being stabbed.

This just sums it up really. Daily Mail article so don’t click if you don’t want to:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12690753/Teenager-lying-outside-cathedral-RICHARD-PENDLEBURY-scene-Jerusalem-attack.html

This link is from the ADL (Anti Defamation League) website. This is a Jewish organisation founded in 1913 to counter antisemitism and it gives an accurate if concise overview of the history.

https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/education-outreach/Brief-History-on-Anti-Semitism-A.pdf

@Yoohoo778611 I hope you find this helpful.

There's a very interesting and detailed documentary series on this topic by the French and German TV channel Arte https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/RC-017590/a-history-of-antisemitism/

Ah, there are good Jews and bad Jews. Good Jews do not want a nation state that exists as the only country in the world where they can exist free from the persecution of the state and their fellow citizens. Only bad Jews want this.

Surveys I have read have shown that most Jews in the UK support the existence of Israel. This distinction between ' zionists' (bad) and jews (good) is artificial and bogus. The overlap between people who are jewish and who people who support Israel is obviously very high.

Calling some Jews 'zionists' and that legitimating your hatred of them ( as seen in the above post) just seems to be a way for people who like to consider themselves anti-racist to have hatred for a group of people who are of a particular race, and to feel ok about this.

I suspect the people who do this are the same people who talk incessantly about the need to 'understand' the 'context' for Hamas's atrocities, but never talk about understanding the context for why Jewish people want their own nation state.

I'm not Jewish. I have family members who have married into Jewish families and converted to Judaism and their families and friends are very special. I've spent a lot of time in Israel on holiday over the years and love it there. We've always felt safe, included and welcome, which is especially important for our gay son.

I'm in my sixties, so can remember the 'boycott Israel products' that was around for so many years. People refusing to buy Soda Stream machines because they were made in Israel

With the event of the internet the conspiracy theories against Jews really thrived. Illuminati, New World Order, and a whole new load of crap circulated.

I think a lot of people view Jewish families as successful, business owners so there's a strong vein of jealousy running through the prejudice. If Jewish people had very dark skins I think the horrible casual hatred would be more guarded tbh.

I don't know what the answer is. I know that I'm very protective of the Jewish community.

When I saw the images of the police tearing down the posters of the missing Israeli children it reminded me that some of this is about numbers. Jewish people are always in the minority. There are a significant number of people who are vocally and violent hostile to Jews and an even bigger number of people who will appease those bullies for a quieter, safer life. There are the haters and there are the people who are willing to do shameful things to avoid the mob turning on them too.

Wow I didn't expect so many replies.
I didn't start the thread to upset anyone.
I generally don't understand.
Thank you for the informative replies. It has given me the kick up I need to learn about other people in the world and not just in my area of Europe.
If everyone knew everything that has gone on in the past in whichever country or religion of the world we would never need teachers.

I disagree. We had the leader of the Labour Party being openly anti-Semitic and he got to run in a General Election where everyone fell over themselves to defend his overt racism.

And I'm not sure what other ethnic minority would be expected to tolerate people celebrating - celebrating - a massacre of their people in the streets as Jews have seen happen for the Jewish people killed in the Israeli terror arracks, who were murdered for being Jewish. Please note I mean this separate to the Free Palestine protests, I am not suggesting they are celebrating terror attacks, that is obviously not the same thing. But there have certainly been large numbers of people globally celebrating the death of Jews, and other people defending their right to publicly to do so. I don't think that would be tolerated for any other ethnic group in the same way.

I should add, I'm not saying anti-semitism should be treated as worse than racism against any other culture or religion. All of it is unacceptable. But I think there's a blind eye turned to a lot of.

I think there might be some truth in the 'rich and powerful' theory. In the same way I think Americans can be the victim of racism and also the 'you can't be racist against Americans' argument.

I disagree. We had the leader of the Labour Party being openly anti-Semitic and he got to run in a General Election where everyone fell over themselves to defend his overt racism.

No defending Corbyn, but Boris Johnson got to be fucking PM despite all of his racist rants over the decades.

I think the Simon Schama programme is 'The Story of the Jews'.
I can't find it on iPlayer although it was originally on BBC2.
It is available on BBC Select (which is US/Canadian markets only) or Prime (but I think you have to pay for it now).

The OP asked a QUESTION ffs

I myself was not sure why

You have some attitude there!

That’s not quite what happened.

The owner of the pharmacy shared a couple of tweets that referred to “filthy animals” and asking where is Iran now. Not at all clear whether the “filthy animals” were Jews, Israel or IDF, but a local campaign was started claiming the pharmacy owner had been posting anti semitic tweets specifically calling Jews various names and calling for the killing of Jews. There were also claims made that the owner admitted it was him and stood by his comments. None of these claims were backed by evidence.

So then there were calls to vandalise the pharmacy and to paint the Israeli flag and Star of David all over the pharmacy. Looks like it was limited to the putting up posters of hostage victims, but there was a mob mentality developing locally, so police intervened.

So not quite as simple as police pulling down posters.

Are you forgetting Boris Johnson’s Islamophobia?

This country has a history of turning a blind eye to any kind of racism. Whether it’s the far right or the far left, racism is tolerated and justified. A large part of Brexit was focussed on keeping foreigners out.

I mean, look at the crowd funding campaign for those two police officers who were sacked for lying. Over £100k donated. I suspect the support would be very different if the athletes involved were white.

We might like to think the UK doesn’t have a race problem, but we really do.

I’m Muslim and I’ve never seen or experienced that. I think it’s certain communities rather than Muslims more generally, as this hatred of Jews that people claim Muslims have is something I have never experienced.

My own parents are religious practising Muslims, and some of their closest friends are Jews. My dad is very religious, and the one person he trusts more than his own siblings is Jewish.

There are no doubt insular Muslim communities who don’t like Jews simply because they are Jewish, but it’s not something that is given.

Surely it would make more sense to Google it first.

Getting answers from actual people gives a better answer than Google.

From an anonymously forum where there are multiple similar threads that descend into bunfights? I doubt it.

And most of what you read on Google was written by actual people.

NmeChngeFail · Today 09:57

I disagree, antisemitism is seen as the worst.

You could be racist, disabilist and islamophobic and still keep your job.

Even on threads here, look how long a thread which is racist against black people gets to stand.

Newspapers can post racist stories and images and get away with it. See many racist cartoon portrayals and articles. Then see if someone will get away posting something antisemitic, they would get fired straight away.

Being called antisemitic is the biggest stain of someone's character and image after that its transphobia.

this is just total and utter bollocks with literally no foundation whatsoever- do you honestly believe this??

Some really interesting and thought provoking replies here. I will watch and read the links provided. Thanks. Hopefully we can keep it civil on this thread.

And I totally disagree with the poster @NmeChngeFail who says anti semitism is seen as the worst - the opposite I think. And I say that as a white non - Jewish person. Even the term “Jew” is bandied around and I believe it’s offensive to many Jewish people (well I was listening to David B who was talking about it on the radio.)

Russia were never friendly to the Jewish people. My family were forced to leave in the 1880s.

Let's face it, there are far stupider threads on there than the 'forgive my ignorance' seen in the op.

A lot is to do with religion.
Christian and Muslim were historically anti semitic.
I remember it among older people when I was a child (I'm 65 so post war), even after all that happened in the war my great grandmother would make casual anti Jewish comments.
I feel like the general population in the UK is much less religious than 70 years ago, in particular the Christian religion. When I grew up everyone went to church, now it's rare. I am not remotely interested in religion, not least because it seems to be at the root of much hatred in the world - NI and Israel in particular.

It appears to me that the vast, vast majority of the really hateful anti semitism I have seen in the last three weeks stems from those who have some religeous ideology behind them. Whereas those who are more protesting at the war in general are from a wider range of backgrounds

@TeacupKitty

mmm but uk isn’t Israel and British Jews are British Jews. My old friend is totally secular but for years has received antisemitism because of her name. She’s not responsible for the actions of Israel just as my son’s friend was asked by journalists what he thought of the killing of an MP (killer and pal both Somali origin
😳).