Placards from antisemitic marches in London

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I had written this as a response to the other thread which was closed as it was overrun by antisemitic d**ks. As I'm sure this one will be too. They can't allow us to share the truth of what is being said and done in our own home towns and cities.

Look at these images. No, they are not in the minority or unusual. Here are just a few of many, many overtly antisemitic placards from Saturday's protest in London. (And a bonus one from 2021, which the lovely John McDonnell also spoke at.)

This is MY HOME. I am Jewish. My family fled pogroms in Eastern Europe and Nazis in Germany. Those family members who didn't flee were murdered for being Jews. And here we fucking are again. In London. And people defending it.

This is NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. These are Jew-haters, the faces of hate, the faces of anger and mockery, openly calling for Jews, for me, my family, my children, my parents, to be murdered, in my home city.

And people are defending it. How the fuck do you think we feel?

Are you trying to imply that because I can recognise antisemitism I support a genocide?

What a nasty thing to do.

So is this anti semitic? It compares an aggressor to Hitler, which is a common thing for protestors to do. Not necessarily a good thing to do, but very common when people want to make a point about an action being anti human rights. It is not just done about Israel

...openly calling for Jews, for me, my family, my children, my parents, to be murdered, in my home city.

I really don't think this is the case. People don't tend to march for anyone's murder but usually for somebody's freedoms.

Also in your title you called them antisemitic marches... Then why the Palestinian flags? May be, this is about defending Palestinians and not about hating on Jews.
If more Jewish people marched for Palestinians, than may be placards would be more specifically against Israel to distinguish the clear differences in Jewish vs Israeli gov views.

Good! What is happening to Palestinian children with the full support of our government is something that should lead to everyone feeling nervous and uncomfortable!

So is this anti semitic? It compares an aggressor to Hitler

Putin isn't Jewish 🤦‍♀️

Putin is not Jewish!

I'm not sure if you meant to direct this at me. The thread is about antisemitic posters at a march, that's what my comment was about, and I have never "supported genocide". How dare you. Stop flinging around insults at people and putting words into their mouths.

Yes i agree about Hamas

But the term being 'thrown around' is directed at the government, not a racial group

There are people who are anti Jewish, anti Islam, anti all sorts of things and these protetst and marches will have a percentage of people who literally are there to stir up trouble, they are probably just as racist about other groups too, however the vast number of people concerned at whats happening are concerned about the actions of a far right politician and regime whose actions will wipe out millions if a cease fire is not successful.

No but the British government who support Israels massacre will be aware they are happening no?

I agree that the Christ one is antisemitic and absolutely disgusting and vile. The Star of David a lot of people equate with the State of Israel as it’s on their flag, and not necessarily the Jewish people. I interpreted this as criticism levelled at the Israeli government and not at all Jews.

I very much doubt that people “don’t even care about Palestine” and “just want to be anti-Semitic.” That’s really quite condescending and offensive. People are aghast at events in Gaza and want to protest against the carpet bombing of a nation.

This debate is nuanced on both sides. Not every action or decry for the suffering of the Palestinians is automatically “someone who doesn’t even care about Palestine and just wants to be openly anti-Semitic.” That’s an absolutely ridiculous thing to say.

Fucking hell. The fact that the first most are saying those aren't anti-Semitic is an eye-opener.

I'm sorry OP, it's shite.

Obviously I an aware of that, my point is that comparing aggressive actors/ states to Nazis and Hitler is very common in protest marchs, and it is not anti Semitic just because in this particular instance Israel is the ficus of the protest

"....Well the state of Israel was formed out of a number of policies and declarations...." as was America. America isn't subject to blood-thirsty hatred by other countries like Israel is.

@FloweryName It wasn't that actions of the government that made me and others nervous

It was the people demonstrating

And our first minister is very preoccupied by Gaza at the moment

Bye then

There are some people, whether that be in Palestine, Israel and the wider world who will use this war to spout their vile racist views.

For me my anger in this situation are with Hamas and the Israeli, government - they are both causing the suffering of innocent Israeli’s and Palestinians - especially those gorgeous poor children. I wish people would direct the anger to them instead of the everyday citizen.

Innocent civilians on both sides are living in fear and losing loved ones - and I do have to say I do think Palestine are faring worse and images from this war have deeply affected me.

Saying that I am also heartbroken for Jews and Muslims around the world that are now being subjected to hate and abuse and of course must be scared that some lunatic will hurt them.

OP please know that most people do not hate Jewish people, I certainly do not and I do not blame Jewish Israeli’s or anyone who is Jewish for this war - I blame the Israeli Government. I also do not hate Palestinians or any Muslims and I do not blame them for this war I blame Hamas.

South Africa had called the way in which palestians are treated apartheid, they experienced it and can identify it

The South African government are corrupt Putin supporters who support Hamas and who have wrecked the country and can't keep the lights on.

No, it's antisemitic because comparing specifically Israeli policies to the those of the Nazis is antisemitic.

Why are you so keen to be allowed to compare the only Jewish state to the perpetrators of the Holocaust? It's particularly offensive to them, don't you think?

Or perhaps that's the point?

How can you possibly defend those posters as not hateful? I am strongly opposed to current Israeli policy and actions but don’t feel that I can join marches because I absolutely refuse to stand shoulder to shoulder with people who don’t think it’s hateful to call Israel a Nazi state, use Christ-killer imagery or to say that Netanyahu surpasses Hitler in brutality. I don’t like Netanyahu but anyone who thinks he’s worse than Hitler is either a moron or an anti-Semite… most likely both. The deliberate and systematic murder of 6 million Jews just cannot be compared to what is happening now. I believe current Israeli actions are illegal and they are not doing what they should to minimise human suffering but to compare it to the holocaust is shockingly offensive. By all means compare it to the Blitz, the Dresden bombing… even Hiroshima… but it isn’t comparable to the Holocaust.

I think over the last 2 thousand years that Jewish people have learned that fine distinctions don't exist when it comes to them. Do you think a Hasidic person in Stamford Hill, who has nothing to do with Israel and probably disagrees with its very existence feels safe when there are such placards a few miles down the road?

It is race hate, not support for the Palestinian people.

Question:

Why aren't there any marches showing solidarity with Jewish people in London at the moment? I don't mean pro-Israel marches, I mean marches in response to the enormous rise in anti-Semitic attacks in London in recent weeks. The BLM marches in response to police violence against black people were well-attended and went on for months. But Jewish schoolchildren are being attacked in broad daylight, and there's not even a single, tiny rally to show support for this highly vulnerable community.

We all know why. Anyone wearing a star of David, or openly supporting the Jewish community in London, have a target on their backs, because anti-Semitism among the left-wing Middle Class and the Muslim community in London has become so normalised and so aggressive, no one would dare endanger themselves in this way. On the tube, I have seen tonnes of people wearing Keffiyehs and holding "Free Palestine Posters" in recent weeks. But I wouldn't dare even wear my tiny star of David necklace. And everyone I know would advise me not to as well. Think about the rationality behind this. It's sickening.

Im not quite sure why you have quoted me for your point

I was responding to a poster who was talking about biblical times and claims on land from ancient times and I made the point that Israel was created out of policies and declarations in modern times regardless of what the ancient history of it all is.

Just pointing something out, that's all. I wasn't trying to rustle any jimmies.

No, it doesn't. It references Jews.