Placards from antisemitic marches in London

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I had written this as a response to the other thread which was closed as it was overrun by antisemitic d**ks. As I'm sure this one will be too. They can't allow us to share the truth of what is being said and done in our own home towns and cities.

Look at these images. No, they are not in the minority or unusual. Here are just a few of many, many overtly antisemitic placards from Saturday's protest in London. (And a bonus one from 2021, which the lovely John McDonnell also spoke at.)

This is MY HOME. I am Jewish. My family fled pogroms in Eastern Europe and Nazis in Germany. Those family members who didn't flee were murdered for being Jews. And here we fucking are again. In London. And people defending it.

This is NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. These are Jew-haters, the faces of hate, the faces of anger and mockery, openly calling for Jews, for me, my family, my children, my parents, to be murdered, in my home city.

And people are defending it. How the fuck do you think we feel?

I can't imagine posters running so quickly to say 'you might be the party those affect but youre wrong those arent antisemitic' would be quite so quick to dismiss a poster from another group for a similar post; Jews are fair game though arent they, especially on MN. So many people are so ignorant and so blind to it yet they also won't listen to the people it affects. I do agree some go to lengths to try and say any criticism of Israel is antisemitic which isn't the case, but those posters are and people see zero issue with them being openly paraded on British streets which is obviously terrifying for people.

Probably prudent to remember OP a lot of these geopolitic experts were clueless and ignorant to what has been happening for decades until a few weeks ago and this ignorance extends to stuff like this.

Comparing Israel to the Nazis is clearly offensive, but it isn't anti semitic.

It is, by the internationally agreed definition of antisemitism.

I agree about the posters referencing Jesus

But was it offensive to compare the atrocities in the Balkan wars to Nazi Germany? If not, why is it different for Israel now.

This is a far right wing government with views about the Palestinian population whereby people have been described as animals and 'children of the darkness'.

Ok, a bit dodgy and close to the line, I can accept that point.

But isn’t it what was going on in biblical times that zionists claim gives them the right to steal other people’s land and justify the creation of millions of refugees?

What people believed in Biblical times is either relevant or it’s not. We can’t pick and choose which ancient beliefs should be respected and which shouldn’t according to what only one group of religious people chooses.

It is, by the internationally agreed definition of antisemitism.

Well it shouldn't be. It makes no logical sense.

The usual apologists here. @BlurredEdges I agree with your OP.

Yes they are all antisemitic. I can see it. Some people choose not to or are just flat-out ignorant. I've always felt deeply sorry for Jews and anyone else targeted by these horrible people. Now they're really not hiding the ball.

Perhaps you should let the IHRA know that you don't think it makes sense.

I suspect that they know more about this than you though.

Are they coming from people who have every right to be angry?

Or those using it to spread hate?

I was in the city centre at the weekend and felt very scared at some of the chants, slogans and rhetoric

The Christ killed one?

Vile

Most countries/political groups have signed up to an agreed definition of anti semitism. And within that is that it is anti semitic to compare Israeli government policy to atrocities committed against the Jewish population (and many other ethnic groups too) during the holocaust.
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Which means its impossible to talk about the potential impact from genocide caused by the Israeli government and use comparisons to one of the most well known holocausts without being anti semitic.

It’s almost like that definition was written specifically so that Isreal can commit whatever atrocities it wants against Palestinians and still be immune to criticism, but of course I’m sure our lovely safe western democracies would never have allowed that.

I think maybe the organisers should put out information when they announce the marches. I would never have known that calling a holocaust a holocaust is antisemitic. It just genuinely wouldn't have occurred to me and I'm sure there are lots of others who are the same. I think putting out info like use genocide or ethnic cleansing instead of Holocaust, use the whole Israeli flag instead of just the star of David etc would help. Lots of everyday people have no interest at all in Judaism so wouldn't know that it was agreed in advance not to call any holocausts carried out by Israel holocausts etc

Well the state of Israel was formed out of a number of policies and declarations, actually formulated before WWII,,, however, Im not sure I understand what Israel's current justification is for the constant encroaching of Palestinian borders over the last 60 years

@backtowinter I've already commented about this, but please don't call me vile.

For those who don't know antisemitism when it's right in front of them, here's a handy list from the IHRA: (open the image to see the full list)

I can't imagine posters running so quickly to say 'you might be the party those affect but youre wrong those arent antisemitic' would be quite so quick to dismiss a poster from another group for a similar post

The only thing this shows is that you obviously don't go anywhere near those other groups because you clearly don't know how they're treated, if this is what you think.

Lots of everyday people have no interest at in Judaism so wouldn't know that it was agreed in advance not to call any holocausts carried out by Israel holocausts etc

This is very naieve, whilst of course some people won't have a clue, many posters seen at these marches are very pointed and someone who is ignorant wouldn't know to write it. There's a lot of history behind all of this and there are a lot of people who have been waiting for a time to be able to be open about their hatred- as you by your own omission have no interest perhaps take some time to listen to Jewish people if you feel so inclined to comment?

That part of the definition is hugely controversial. Just because something is written down and approved, it doesnt mean that its valid in reality.

I see that now

I didn't call you vile. I've been on Mn for a long, long time and know that personal attacks are against talk guidelines

Your take on it was what I was calling vile

One placard repeats the completely unhistorical and erroneous claim that the Jews killed Jesus and you seriously think that isn't antisemitic (they didn't, the Roman administration did, BTW)

Shame on you, and I say that as someone who is Anglo Saxon Protestant and thinks the Netanyahu regime is dreadful.

Why are people quite so keen to compare the world's only Jewish state to the Nazis in particular do you think?

Any person who didn't want to appear antisemitic would do well to not pick quite such a targeted comparison, don't you think?

I was at the March and found it to be very peaceful. I would not have participated in anything anti semetic, I have a lot of respect for Jews who are educated and understand the truth behind what is going on

insay this kindly, you are too close to see the truth- that these aren’t hate posters. Hurtful yes but a March and unrest is needed to bring an end to those suffering in Palestine.

@backtowinter. fair, apologies for jumping the gun. My partners just explained the meaning of that one, I get it now and yes, it's antisemitic.

effects are similar to that of the holocaust no they aren’t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The flippancy in which people throw around the Holocaust makes me terrified, society learned nothing.

You literally don't know what you're talking about. Go away and do some reading.