Placards from antisemitic marches in London

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I had written this as a response to the other thread which was closed as it was overrun by antisemitic d**ks. As I'm sure this one will be too. They can't allow us to share the truth of what is being said and done in our own home towns and cities.

Look at these images. No, they are not in the minority or unusual. Here are just a few of many, many overtly antisemitic placards from Saturday's protest in London. (And a bonus one from 2021, which the lovely John McDonnell also spoke at.)

This is MY HOME. I am Jewish. My family fled pogroms in Eastern Europe and Nazis in Germany. Those family members who didn't flee were murdered for being Jews. And here we fucking are again. In London. And people defending it.

This is NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. These are Jew-haters, the faces of hate, the faces of anger and mockery, openly calling for Jews, for me, my family, my children, my parents, to be murdered, in my home city.

And people are defending it. How the fuck do you think we feel?

🤣. They are not anti-Semitic. They are against Jewish people yes and inferring the Jews were responsible for Jesus’s crucifixion yes and conflating the holocaust with Hamas forcing civilians to act as human shields yes, but not anti-Semitic noooooooooo.

I have a lot of respect for Jews who are educated and understand the truth behind what is going on How bloody rude and patronising. I have a great deal of respect for Muslims who are educated and agree with me.
Get lost!

The biggest issue in Western news at the moment is whats happening in Israel and Palestine.

Lots of genocides since the war have been compared to the Nazis/holocaust because in modern history that is the unfortunate benchmark for ethnic cleansing

Its no different to previous criticisms of previous conflicts and genocides.

Are they coming from people who have every right to be angry?
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Or those using it to spread hate?

They’re coming from people who are angry. Wouldn’t you be angry at a country that was created by destroying your own country and removed basic human rights for everyone you know?

Sadly there probably is some hate in there too. There is hate from both sides where people have grown up being told one side of a story but the type of hate that is coming out of individuals on those marches is likely to be from those who’s own families have been destroyed in some way by the actions of Israel. They might have their mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters all being bombed right now with nowhere to go for safety. In these real life circumstances, it is natural to feel anger and hate towards the country that is doing it.

No need to apologise but I appreciate it. I do tend to reply as I go rather than read through and have to scroll back when I want to reply

I did see your follow up posr after I had posted

@RudsyFarmer I've already messaged on this a. Missed it, b. Did not understand it.

Ive apologised for my ignorence. Move on.

Those scenes from Russia where a mob were hunting for Jews to attack hasn't given any of these 'I can't see any antisemitism anywhere' posters any pause for thought?

Or the threats to kill Jews at a US university who have been advised not to go to their building?

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/29/us/cornell-university-antisemetic-threats-online-investigation/index.html

Nothing to see anywhere?

Yeah, I mean I'll call it a genocide now that I know it was agreed in advance that holocaust is antisemitic. I live in a country where we had a genocide and I can't imagine it was written anywhere that if our country commits a genocide in future nobody is allowed to call it a genocide. It just genuinely never occurred to me that a country would be prepared in that way. Like I said I know now though.

We really need to start talking about Islam's anti-semitism problem.

"According to British Muslim journalist Mehdi Hasan, "anti-Semitism isn't just tolerated in some sections of the British Muslim community; it's routine and commonplace"."
A 2016 survey of 5,446 adult Britons, part of a report titled Anti-Semitism in contemporary Great Britain that was conducted by the London-based Institute for Jewish Policy Research, found that the prevalence of antisemitic views among Muslims was two to four times higher than the rest of the population, 55% of British Muslims held at least one antisemitic view, and that there was a correlation between Muslim religiosity and antisemitism."

Its no different to previous criticisms of previous conflicts and genocides

It is when you're throwing it at the victims of that particular genocide. If you can't see that then there's no helping you.

One of the most shocking things I have ever read about the Holocaust is not the gas chambers or the Einsatzgruppen massacres. It's the story of Rudolf Vrba, a Slovak Jew who escaped from Auschwitz in 1944, and tried to warn the Hungarian authorities that the Hungarian Jews were next on the list for mass deportation - and to tell the world more widely what was going on.

Nobody believed him.

I'm getting that same feeling from some of the posters on this thread who are adamant that these BLATANTLY anti-Semitic placards are not so.

Wake up.

Never again is now.

@noblegiraffe i have, more so than reading I can see how many people and children the government of Israel has killed and refuse to let out. They could but they won’t

you need to open your eyes. I can’t believe people still support genocide, there were many Jews at the protest and they were anti Zionist Jews too

Well I felt very nervous and uncomfortable in city centre while all these people had arrived to chant and march

I'm not Jewish by the way

@backtowinter thanks 😊. I didn't mean to cause offense.

You need to read about antisemitism because you don't know what it is. You apparently don't want to march alongside antisemites so you really should know how to spot them.

I'm finding it very disturbing as well. The holocaust is within living memory- my father can remember the end of WW2- and yet already, the antisemitism that has been unleashed in the past few weeks, and the determination to link the actions of the Israelis to the Nazis is already back. There was a thread started, I think, by a Jewish woman in the UK, about how she felt scared for her family. And I can honestly see why. If I was Jewish, I think I would be watching the current hatred and just feel utter despair.

@PurpleChrayne you’d think after what happened to the Jews (which was disgusting) would not happen again right? And yet the people who have been attacked throughout history are now attacking the oppressed

you need to wake up

How about the one with the Swastika? All fine and dandy?

Well I felt very nervous and uncomfortable in city centre while all these people had arrived to chant and march

I'm not Jewish by the way

It's natural; Anyone would feel very nervous and uncomfortable in a city centre while people are chanting and marching regardless of the group they belong to.

What does it say about you when you deny antisemitism to the extent that you think there is nothing wrong with posters implying all Jews are implicated in Israel’s actions and one blaming Jews for killing Jesus?

Genocide is a very specific term which is however thrown around willy nilly at the moment, particularly directed at the remnant of a racial group who experienced genocide within living memory.

Hamas don't want freedom and equity for the Palestinian people. They want the extinction of Jews, Israeli and non Israeli., which is genocide.

It really isn't new or surprising that Jews themselves can be anti-semitic.

a March and unrest is needed to bring an end to those suffering in Palestine.

I understand why people sometimes feel the need to march about various things. I went on the march against the war with Iraq. But there is something kind of egocentric about thinking a march in London and unrest there is what's needed to change what's happening in the middle east. Like do you really think the Israeli government is watching the news and going "Oh well when the UN told us to stop we ignored them, but now some people are on a march in London well we must stop"