To think Israel won't exist much longer?

[sergeantsalt]

Support in the west is declining, and when Israel doesn't have weapons and defense funding they won't be able to defend against their neighbouring countries on their own. AIBU to wonder how much longer it can exist given they are losing support?

@Tealtoffee
"I believe they are deliberately bombing civilians- they know civilians are in the proximity of their bombs, it seems you believe their excuses. Sleep well" of course they know civilians are nearby - Hamas are known for firing rockets etc from schools and hospitals in order to then use the resultant deaths when Israel retaliates to get sympathy. It's a very effective strategy, as we can clearly see.

@NotSuchASmugMarried
I'd hope the Palestinians recognise them as terrorists - they're the ones being used as human shields. They're the ones losing their lives because of Hamas' actions

There is context missing here - the people hiding in their dorms are doing so after disrupting a religious service in the morning by throwing eggs etc at them. There won't be any, or at least not many, videos of that as it was during the Shabbat service at Chabad, so no phones would have been present.

To use everyone's new favourite phrase, it didn't happen in a vacuum.

It's not a falsehood. Just because you don't want to believe something doesn't make it a lie. And if you don't want to listen to propaganda, get off the internet. You make it sound as though you alone know the truth. Except you really, really don't. You quite clearly only listen to one side and have just admitted not to want to listen to the other side, and will therefore never know the truth.

Pot, meet kettle.

Since you're now back on the scene again, I'd still like to know what this means?

Thanks

I've never claimed to know the full truth. My whole thing on here has been me saying please question your sources! So I'm trying to get posters to question their sources but no one ever does. I mean, that anti-semitic poster from earlier - I randomly discovered where she got her "history of Palestine" from earlier with her story about how Palestinians took in two Jewish families each and in return they were locked out of their own houses. Do you know where that story is from? Mohamed Hadid's Instagram 🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️ the same Mohamed Hadid who posted this the other day where he refers to all of Israel as occupied Palestine.

Well so long as they are keeping it proportionate eh? So someone throws eggs so deserves to be surrounded by people shouting death to Arabs? What do Israelis deserve when they prevent Muslim worshippers from entering Al-Aqsa?

I suppose they should have predicted that happening, when Palestinian kids throw stones they get 'arrested', held without trial, abused and tortured. They should have known that Israelis would think that the death sentence was the appropriate punishment for egg throwing.

If you're going to assert that the figures from Palestine are wrong, that the UN are lying, you must have some actual evidence? Right? Or does the burden of proof only lie with those why disagree with you?
P.s. nobody believes everything Hamas says. Most do tend to believe the UN. You want to refute that, you will need to back it up with something substantial.

@sergeantsalt To allay your concerns, the Republican forerunner candidates have all just pledged their ongoing support to Israel, as reported in the Guardian this morning.

The irony of your name there @SeeReality

Greedy Palestinians wanting to keep their homes and not move somewhere totally unknown eh?

Maybe be of interest The WHO’s statement on the Gaza made on Friday;

“Health workers who have stayed by their patients’ sides face dwindling supplies, with no place to put new patients, and no means to alleviate their patients’ pain. There are more wounded every hour. But ambulances cannot reach them in the communications blackout. Morgues are full. More than half of the dead are women and children.

WHO has not been able to communicate with its staff in Gaza, nor have other agencies. Furthermore, WHO is trying to gather information on the overall impact on civilians and health care.

WHO appeals to the humanity in all those who have the power to do so to end the fighting now, in line with the UN resolution adopted yesterday, calling for a humanitarian truce, as well as the immediate and unconditional release of all civilians held captive.”

https://x.com/who?s=21&t=XOSZzOBNbapYRApGrMaVGA

Really not obvious. There are people who think like that. No way of knowing what you meant. Maybe ask for it to be deleted?

"One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter."
Nelson Mandela

Sure, but Hamas are terrorists to everyone

Are you sure @OhHelloTheres?
Because I'm thinking of the many polls which suggest that the majority of Palestinians still back them, to say nothing of those screaming "Hamas! Hamas!" on the marches, the "put Isreal in the bin" posters and all the rest

My whole thing on here has been me saying please question your sources!

And very wise too, but sadly the Twitter sewage still continues, along with (god help us) more slurry from Mondoweiss

It genuinely worries me that some seem to regard these as objective sources, but there's no accounting for taste

It does

Israel has the 4th largest military capability in the world (thanks to the US mainly). We are told that they are using precision weapons (look at the footage of the bombs dropping; it's like day light) but, according to you, they need white phosphorous to see? They use it in the most densely populated region on earth. Do you know what this stuff does to flesh? It burns and carry on burning. You die in absolute agony. But Hamas....
Of course, the IDF are very considerate, warning 1,2 millions of civilians to get out. Where do they go? Gazza is very small. There is nowhere for them to go. What about the people in hospitals. the premature babies, the old and disabled? I would also like you to provide evidence of Hamas stopping the population going south ( I don't disbelieve it), I can provide evidence that the IDF have bombed them. and refugee camps ( well there is precedent for this). Yes but Hamas...
The Israeli government is now becoming what they despise and creating, by their actions, the next generation of Hamas terrorists. Violence begets violence.

I mean, I don't imagine they just threw eggs in silence? I imagine they were shouting obscene stuff. I'm just not sure there's video evidence of it as it was Shabbat and a religious service, so those who were attacked wouldn't have had their phones with them.

I didn't say it was ok to shout death to Arabs. I clarified it wasn't an unprovoked event. Just like the whole world felt the need to tell Israel on 7th October before Israel had a chance to start any kind of counter-offensive.

I'm saying if you want to be unbiased, check what the UN have to say but also if UN Watch have anything to say in response.

You quite clearly have no interest in being even remotely unbiased and that's fine, we've been dealing with this for decades - your attitude is not new.

Oh and people do believe what Hamas say, hence Israel getting blamed for killing 500 people in a hospital parking lot that was fired at by PIJ.

I suppose I should have been clearer - they are terrorists towards everyone, most of all the people they are meant to serve and protect, but not everyone is willing to acknowledge it. They have fuel for rockets but not the hospitals. They have food for hostages but not for their own people. They block their own people from leaving a war zone. They are terrorising their own people by using them as human shields.

There is a recording of a conversation where a guy in Gaza confirms that Hamas shoot at those trying to leave Gaza, but I assume there's no point in me posting a link to it as no one will believe it anyway.

The proof is available though.

Ah, I see what you mean OhHelloTheres - I agree of course, and apologisse for misreading you

Please post it. As I said before, I don't disbelieve that fact. Meanwhile, over 7000 Palestinians have been slaughtered and this will rise. This is ethnic cleansing. No ifs, no buts.