To think Israel won't exist much longer?

[sergeantsalt]

Support in the west is declining, and when Israel doesn't have weapons and defense funding they won't be able to defend against their neighbouring countries on their own. AIBU to wonder how much longer it can exist given they are losing support?

when the world finally has the one world government , will humanity have peace across the globe ?

@Oliotya
The UN are extremely biased in favour of the Palestinians - do you know any other refugees who have their very own UN agency? So yes, they're not my favourite.

@Tealtoffee
The aim is to destroy Hamas, not Palestinians. So by your chosen definition, not genocide. I'm sure you'll claim Israel wants rid of all Palestinians but unless you can prove that is their aim, it's not genocide. And if you can prove that, I'll happily reconsider my stance. I know there are certain people who have said horrific things but unless it's actual policy, it's not genocide.

It's genocide on both sides. I can't see how anyone can deny that.

the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

“the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group” that’s what it looks like to me.

But there's no reason to believe that Israel's aim is to destroy that nation or ethnic group. Given that they only launched this offensive in response to a very deadly attack by Hamas (however disproportionate you think it is), the most parsimonious explanation is that their aim is to disable Hamas, and similar groups, to secure their borders and keep their citizens safe.

They've also been in control of the occupied territories for decades now. If they wanted to destroy the populations surely they would have done it already.

Hamas have stated explicitly their intention to destroy Israel and jews, so that's a reasonable interpretation of their intention.

Israel haven't stated any such intention, so it's an assumption in that case. One which I don't think makes sense.

Honestly, this is a pointless conversation. My only point was to please question Hamas. I don't really want to keep talking about these casualties as though they're just a number. They deserve better than that. Wether it's 10 or 7000, there are too many casualties already.

May they all rest in peace, and may their families find some comfort in their memories.

Of it doesn't matter, don't say it. But you did, didn't you? Why?

Israel haven't stated any such intention, so it's an assumption in that case. One which I don't think makes sense.

In practice they are destroying the Palestinians though. They told them to head south and then bombed the south. They may say they're going to destroy Hamas but look at what they're doing in practice. Many times more Palestinians have been killed than Israelis in the last month.

Ameen

I honestly don't understand what you're trying to say here. Are you upset I mentioned the amount of casualties? Because if so, I didn't. I just responded to someone else who did. If you're talking about something else, please let me know so I can try and respond appropriately

The stated aim is to destroy Hamas sure, let’s wait until they have destroyed Gaza and Palestine before we speak up - more people need to speak up, more world leaders need to speak up. Shame on Israel, shame on Hamas - they are both murders, Israel does not have the moral high ground.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy8yaFDLkR8/?igshid=Y2NkYjk0MDhjYg==
this is genocide.

That is from today?

This is the aftermath of the bombing of shati refugee camp from last night where many women and children were killed

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy8vKnTtsGQ/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.

it doesn’t matter if any of these accusations against Israel are true or not. People will just keep flinging the worst claims around, and by the time you’ve disproved one they’ll have ten more for you to deal with.

It makes you wonder why it’s so relentless. And uniquely directed at only one country.

Just kidding! We all know perfectly well why people are pathologically obsessed with the one Jewish state.

Just kidding! We all know perfectly well why people are pathologically obsessed with the one Jewish state.

Is this one of those indoctrination/propaganda things? I've never seen this before when there is a large conflict. People saying 'why are you so obsessed but it has repeatedly come up in regards to this one. There were tons and tons of posts about Russia/Ukraine when that kicked off and even Russia is not as deadly as Israel is, so why are people surprised that people are talking about this extremely bloody conflict. Like it is a huge thing for one country to openly deny over 2million people food, water, electric, aid etc. Why wouldnt people be talking about it, especially in the age of social media where the people who are being killed/starved can tell us what is happening to them. I've never seen so many dead bodies in my entire life as I have in the past few weeks, why wouldn't I want to talk about it? Yet this insinuation, that because when we see 100s of dead bodies in the space of a few weeks and want to talk about it we must be antisemitic keeps coming up? Why only in this conflict is people taking an interest seen as not just a bad thing but a bigoted thing?

I'm wondering what percentage of people in Gaza are "Hamas" seems it's a war against them now . How can Israel tell the difference between a civilian and a member of Hamas when the drop their endless bombs

No, they're not "destroying" them, at least not yet. They're killing a large number of them, but it's still a tiny proportion of the population. There is no evidence, as of yet, of an endgame involving destroying the nation itself.

Genocide is not simply mass murder. Not that I'm condoning the latter, of course.

They only support children being slaughtered and burnt alive in their own homes if they’re Palestinian. 3000 kids and babies and counting, with US approval.

OP, Israel will continue its ethnic cleansing and making billions by using Palestinians as target practice until the US is toppled as master of the universe, which is predicted to be in 100 - 150 years time, so I’d be very surprised if we see Israel absorbed in our lifetime, but it will happen at some point in the next couple of centuries.

The nation will be destroyed when they are done - what will the Palestinians return what have they to go back to (and I think this is deliberate) - they are delivering unimaginable pain to the people of Gaza. Revenge is really ugly but I can see how it feels good in the short term.

I Think refugees elsewhere would be able to go back after this war, as Israel would have no business with palasteins lands. for hamas the war is inevitable to resolve .

Hamas freedom fighters????? Freedom for who? They don't want a democrat state. They want jihad and a sharia law state.

There are, at this point, numerous examples of Netanyahu using genocidal rhetoric when speaking about the Palestinians, as well as members of the government and Knesset.

Quote from a member of Knesset, calling for another Nakba (the mass ethnic cleansing massacre committed by the Jewish settled and driving out Palestinians from their homes into other countries):

“Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. Nakba in Gaza and Nakba to anyone who dares to join! their Nakba, because like then in 1948, the alternative is clear,” Kallner wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter.

https://english.alarabiya.net/amp/News/middle-east/2023/10/08/Israeli-Knesset-member-calls-for-second-Nakba-amid-ongoing-conflict-with-Hamas

IDF reservist saying “erase their families, their mothers and their children. These animals can no longer live.”

https://twitter.com/m7mdkurd/status/1712935005675041165?s=42

This is a great article on the matter from Mondoweiss:

https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/genocide-has-been-catching-up-to-israelis-ever-since-zionisms-inception/

Hamas are not ‘freedom fighters’ they are terrorists