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Conflict in the Middle East

To think Israel won't exist much longer?

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sergeantsalt · 28/10/2023 07:56

Support in the west is declining, and when Israel doesn't have weapons and defense funding they won't be able to defend against their neighbouring countries on their own. AIBU to wonder how much longer it can exist given they are losing support?

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BlurredEdges · 28/10/2023 11:54

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They quoted you verbatim, leaving out many of the far worse things you have posted. Which everyone can read.

I have never seen someone glorifying in their own racist abuse to this extent on Mumsnet in the 15 years I've been on here.

It terrifies me that people like you exist and are proud of your despicable, appalling bigotry.

Doric · 28/10/2023 11:54

TeenLifeMum · 28/10/2023 10:32

I don’t think there’s strong support for hamas, no. Is there strong support for Israel? From western leaders yes (there’s a bigger agenda there) but from the population? I’m not convinced. Most of us stand with the incident civilians on both sides of this utter shit show of humanity.

Agree with this.

Oliotya · 28/10/2023 11:54

Eatapeach · 28/10/2023 11:40

Israel is a beacon of hope, whose success and prosperity in every sphere of human and economic flourishing stands as a rebuke to the theocratic and authoritarian barbarism of the states that surround it. Palestinians could have made peace and had a state at any time since 1948, but they didn’t because their leaders hate Jews more than they love their own people.
Prove me wrong without descending into lies and vulgar antisemitism. Tell me why you care about Palestinians and not the actual genocide of Muslims in China, or ethnic cleansing of Rohingya in Myanmar- if you’re this angry about Palestine you must be incandescent about those other, actual, examples.
Thuggish crowds March in our streets like it’s the 1930s - and for a change the Nazi allusion is fitting and not hyperbolic. Ghoulish pornographers of death hold up dead babies (oh, but not Jewish babies - they don’t count!) to revive ancient blood libels. Hate dominates our discourse because it’s easy to shout down dissenters from a moral high ground based on lies and distortions, whether that’s on social media or in the streets.
Israel will prevail because it has to, and the world will continue to be a better place because it exists.

Can people stop throwing around accusations that other posters only care about Israel and ignore other conflicts. You do not know that to be true. You cannot possibly know, on an individual level, who has posted about or protested about what in the past, present or future. You won't see it here, because this is about Israel and Palestine. But don't make unfounded assumptions or accusations.

etmoietmoietmoi · 28/10/2023 11:55

KimberleyClark · 28/10/2023 11:50

No, the thread title asks if Israel WILL continue to exist. Nothing about whether it SHOULD continue to exist.

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Oh you got me! I should have said WILL. Well done you.

Changes fuck all about what I said though - on a thread about whether Israel WILL continue to exist - it has now descended into some absolutely appalling racist hate speech (aka as detracting from the point of the thread) by the very person claiming we're detracting from the situation in Gaza, so in other words "be quiet Jews and stop calling out our antisemitism".

BlurredEdges · 28/10/2023 11:55

briggs1 · 28/10/2023 11:29

And a lot of Jews (myself included) see this @FlutterbyWhiskers

The idea that you think anyone would believe you're Jewish is a sick joke. Fucking bullshit.

eardefender · 28/10/2023 11:55

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You clearly know nothing about history. Hamas don’t want peace they want to kill Jews, listen to them, watch interviews with their fighters and leaders. Believe them when they talk about how expendable their own people are.
I cannot believe you think hamas are justified to rape kill and burn indiscriminately. What is wrong with you?
do you know why they are classed as a terrorist organisation?
they have no just cause.
this is typical of lazy Jew hate that is sadly going around.
israelis did not grab land, they don’t occupy Gaza, they gave a thriving Gaza back to the so called Palestinians who quickly turned it into a shit hole.

ismu · 28/10/2023 11:56

My fervent hope is that the vile right wing coalition of Netanyahu will cease to exist and that there will be a ceasefire immediately.
How can more bloodshed of innocent children atone for the despicable actions of Hamas?
Hamas have been enthusiastically funded by that vile coalition for many years and nothing uncovered about the actions of the IDF, Mossad and Netanyahu could surprise me.
How disgusting is it that a large proportion of the hostages and the murdered Israelis were those in kibbutzim, traditionally more left wing, the festival goers and many of those taken were and are peace activists including Mrs Lipfschitz and her husband.
Meanwhile the settlers in the West Bank were not targeted.
How did the Israeli government fail it's people so badly?
Ceasefire now.

FlutterbyWhiskers · 28/10/2023 11:56

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etmoietmoietmoi · 28/10/2023 11:57

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LaDerniereVacheFolle · 28/10/2023 11:57

Eatapeach · 28/10/2023 11:40

Israel is a beacon of hope, whose success and prosperity in every sphere of human and economic flourishing stands as a rebuke to the theocratic and authoritarian barbarism of the states that surround it. Palestinians could have made peace and had a state at any time since 1948, but they didn’t because their leaders hate Jews more than they love their own people.
Prove me wrong without descending into lies and vulgar antisemitism. Tell me why you care about Palestinians and not the actual genocide of Muslims in China, or ethnic cleansing of Rohingya in Myanmar- if you’re this angry about Palestine you must be incandescent about those other, actual, examples.
Thuggish crowds March in our streets like it’s the 1930s - and for a change the Nazi allusion is fitting and not hyperbolic. Ghoulish pornographers of death hold up dead babies (oh, but not Jewish babies - they don’t count!) to revive ancient blood libels. Hate dominates our discourse because it’s easy to shout down dissenters from a moral high ground based on lies and distortions, whether that’s on social media or in the streets.
Israel will prevail because it has to, and the world will continue to be a better place because it exists.

Great post.

SomeCatFromJapan · 28/10/2023 11:57

What kind of government can one really have in an occupied territory

One whose raison d'etre isn't terrorism and the destruction of the neighbouring state and all who live there?

Doric · 28/10/2023 11:57

eardefender · 28/10/2023 10:53

The fact is that hamas has good support in Gaza and elsewhere. They have thrived in Gaza. Where in Israel do you see glee at the death of civilian garzans and active street celebrations?

I have unfortunately seen online memes laughing at and mocking the Palestinian deaths. From people I know in Israel. I think there are sadistic idiots on both sides.

Wonkasworld · 28/10/2023 11:58

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Yet if the same were said about Palestinians, posters would be all over it like a rash.

EasternStandard · 28/10/2023 11:58

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It’s really low and I’m sorry people are facing it on mn

FlutterbyWhiskers · 28/10/2023 11:59

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eardefender · 28/10/2023 11:59

LaDerniereVacheFolle · 28/10/2023 11:57

Great post.

👏🏻👏🏻

BlurredEdges · 28/10/2023 11:59

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Wonkasworld · 28/10/2023 11:59

EasternStandard · 28/10/2023 11:58

It’s really low and I’m sorry people are facing it on mn

I'm equally sorry their posts are being allowed to stand.

SomeCatFromJapan · 28/10/2023 12:00

one man's terrorist may be another's freedom fighter. Wasn't Mandela considered a terrorist.

You consider Hamas to be freedom fighters?

FlutterbyWhiskers · 28/10/2023 12:00

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SomeCatFromJapan · 28/10/2023 12:01

@BlurredEdges it's fucking disgraceful. This poster has taken it upon themselves to "educate" MN by posting a screen of anti-Semitism, and clearly feels that's a perfectly reasonable thing to do, which is the most worrying part.

OhHelloTheres · 28/10/2023 12:01

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I agree that sometimes people incorrectly accuse people of saying anti-semitic things. In your case, it's not incorrect. You are blatantly saying anti-semitic things.

Noticed how I'm not saying you're anti-semitic? Just that you're saying anti-semitic things. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and giving you a chance to retract your previous statements and plead ignorance. Words matter. Use them responsibly.

BlurredEdges · 28/10/2023 12:01

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It's so pathetic, isn't it? The sad thing is that it gets lapped up by the most stupid of the racists.

ismu · 28/10/2023 12:02

I'm aware that I used " bloodshed cannot atone" so will now be accused of antisemitism as that's possibly a trope.
But can we accept that collective punishment, death of non combatants and razed earth cannot ever create a solution ?