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Any information about the demonstrations being held today, Saturday 28 October?

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Redcase · 28/10/2023 07:09

Just that really. I want to join those asking for an end/ ceasefire. BBC reporting that there are demonstrations in London and Manchester but I can’t find any information online TIA

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MissyB1 · 28/10/2023 15:24

Rocknrollstar · 28/10/2023 08:52

They are not marching for a ceasefire. They are marching for an end to Israel. There’s quite a difference. Today’s copy of The Times says it is all being orchestrated by Iranian agents. Be careful who you ally yourself with.

Oh ffs! 🙄

Parkingt111 · 28/10/2023 15:26

Sky news was reporting on the London one awhile ago
Looks huge

Stopactingsosmall · 28/10/2023 15:33

How can individuals be so hard hearted? Always trying to add their narrative. Less of the propganda. Where is your humanity? March is for palestinian people. Israel is big and influential enough. Anyone seen Elon Musk tweet today re Iran ? x.com/elonmusk/status/1718192456838107162?s=2

EasterIssland · 28/10/2023 15:33

Bristol is tomorrow

quantumbutterfly · 28/10/2023 16:27

FloweryName · 28/10/2023 15:23

Perhaps they could, but asking a population and it’s supporters to want normalcy with a population who think it had a God given right to take over, steal and occupy the land that they had lived on peacefully for generations is a pretty big ask.

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I would imagine the population of Gaza just want peace and a worldwide supported 2 state solution could achieve that.

Like most of the people marching I can only imagine or hear through the media what the reality of life in Israel and Gaza is. The reality of every house having a safe room that turned out not to be safe on Oct7th, or of living with the mafia like HAMAS controlling your life and your land with no thought to their people.

There are wicked manipulators fuelling this conflict and they need to be stopped not encouraged.

Jewish people are scared by the hate that they feel towards them here, they've seen this before.

Stopactingsosmall · 28/10/2023 20:25

I will not try to minimise your fear and feeling of vulnerability. But palestinians who are being bombed, restricted or no access to water food , electricity, fuel and now no contact with the world also have my sympathy. In West Bank, settlers are attacking palestinians. Yes, ofcourse you feel vulnerable and concerned but you are protected and have security and are able to express your fears, others are not so fortunate.

Stopactingsosmall · 28/10/2023 20:33

You should not feel any hate, this whole issue is emotive and people are expressing their opinions and exercising freedom of expression. Please understand this is not personally aimed at you. You should not feel any hostility, sorry if you do.

regularmumnotacoolmum · 28/10/2023 20:40

Parkingt111 · 28/10/2023 15:26

Sky news was reporting on the London one awhile ago
Looks huge

Figures report 500,000 in London alone. Lots more smaller protests elsewhere in the country.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 28/10/2023 20:45

How the fuck has Flutterbywhiskers been deleted, but, Rocknrollstar - who has posted an easily demonstrable lie not been? Fucking hell, the direction of traffic on MN is obvious. Fucking disgusting.

karakchai · 28/10/2023 20:46

Rocknrollstar · 28/10/2023 08:52

They are not marching for a ceasefire. They are marching for an end to Israel. There’s quite a difference. Today’s copy of The Times says it is all being orchestrated by Iranian agents. Be careful who you ally yourself with.

Oh do fuck off!

Worriedmum40284 · 28/10/2023 20:50

I was in London for another reason today and came across the march, I hadn't heard about it before.

Excuse my ignorance, I'm trying to learn more about the current situation. The march seemed to mainly be calls to free Palestine as opposed to cease fire and general peace (although I did see both) - is that correct?

After the march had finished, I noticed a number of posters showing children that had horrifically been killed in the conflict. Someone in front of me was tearing these down but I couldn't understand to what end, or what their point of view could be.

All very emotive and has highlighted my ignorance to me and privilege for the safety I take for granted, hence me looking into the situation more.

FromEden · 28/10/2023 22:34

@Worriedmum40284 the point of view of people who chant "free Palestine" is that Israel, the only Jewish state in the world, shouldn't exist. They are calling for the destruction of Israel, and we all know what that means.

The people who rip down posters of kidnapped and murdered Israeli children think that they deserved it and just don't care what happened to them

ketchup07070 · 28/10/2023 22:38

I think quite a few of the hostages' families would also like a ceasefire, and to focus on returning their loved ones. I believe the aim of the march today was to call for a ceasefire.

MissyB1 · 28/10/2023 22:43

ketchup07070 · 28/10/2023 22:38

I think quite a few of the hostages' families would also like a ceasefire, and to focus on returning their loved ones. I believe the aim of the march today was to call for a ceasefire.

Yes, I watched a Jewish mum being interviewed on channel 4 this evening, her two children are being held hostage 😞 she desperately wants a ceasefire and negotiations.

The Israeli government have sacrificed the hostages as far as I’m concerned 😢

ketchup07070 · 28/10/2023 22:47

@MissyB1 Poor people - they are suffering like Palestinians now too. Let's hope and pray and do whatever we can to push for peace.

Myrestingwitchface · 28/10/2023 22:48

The march was arranged by the Palestine Solidarity Campaign. They campaign for freedom, justice & equality for Palestinians and have done for a long time. The ‘Free Palestine’ chant refers to freeing Palestinians from their oppression, apartheid, and displacement, however as was clear from today’s speeches, they were very much calling for an immediate ceasefire.

Fawful · 28/10/2023 23:03

ketchup07070 · 28/10/2023 22:38

I think quite a few of the hostages' families would also like a ceasefire, and to focus on returning their loved ones. I believe the aim of the march today was to call for a ceasefire.

Yes, it's a bit mad that the hostages don't seem to be Israel's focus right now! Desperately sad.

Judashascomeintosomemoney · 29/10/2023 00:01

Fawful · 28/10/2023 23:03

Yes, it's a bit mad that the hostages don't seem to be Israel's focus right now! Desperately sad.

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Yes, this will become an issue for Israel in future. Just watched BBC news and a male relative of hostages being a spokesperson saying (paraphrasing) ‘We know that they are hostages of Hamas, and we know that as of yesterday they are alive. We now want the (Israeli) government to come talk to us about how they are going to keep them alive’ . The subtext was definitely that they are holding the Israeli government responsible from this point onwards.

Bergmum · 29/10/2023 00:44

FloweryName · 28/10/2023 15:23

Perhaps they could, but asking a population and it’s supporters to want normalcy with a population who think it had a God given right to take over, steal and occupy the land that they had lived on peacefully for generations is a pretty big ask.

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But that's not actually true. The arab Palestinians have massacred their Jewish neighbours for years before the state of Israel was declared. Can't remember them all offhand but look up the Hebron massacre of 1929. The Jews were definitely not "stealing their land" then.
The Jews also didn't steal land in 1948. They were attacked by the Palestinians as well as the surrounding arab nations and then won the war. The war which they hadn't started.
As per all historical wars. If a country won a war they then owned the land they won.
And remember they didn't actually start the war. They only won it.

Myrestingwitchface · 29/10/2023 00:54

Bergmum · 29/10/2023 00:44

But that's not actually true. The arab Palestinians have massacred their Jewish neighbours for years before the state of Israel was declared. Can't remember them all offhand but look up the Hebron massacre of 1929. The Jews were definitely not "stealing their land" then.
The Jews also didn't steal land in 1948. They were attacked by the Palestinians as well as the surrounding arab nations and then won the war. The war which they hadn't started.
As per all historical wars. If a country won a war they then owned the land they won.
And remember they didn't actually start the war. They only won it.

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You think Israel has a right to that land because they ‘won it’ fair and square?!!!

And then well, may as well keep taking more from the Palestinians, land, rights, justice…

No, this is occupation, this is apartheid, and what’s happening now is genocide.

Stopactingsosmall · 29/10/2023 06:43

Bergmum · 29/10/2023 00:44

But that's not actually true. The arab Palestinians have massacred their Jewish neighbours for years before the state of Israel was declared. Can't remember them all offhand but look up the Hebron massacre of 1929. The Jews were definitely not "stealing their land" then.
The Jews also didn't steal land in 1948. They were attacked by the Palestinians as well as the surrounding arab nations and then won the war. The war which they hadn't started.
As per all historical wars. If a country won a war they then owned the land they won.
And remember they didn't actually start the war. They only won it.

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There may have been some incidents of this palestinian hostilities towards jews. But a lot has been inflated to lessen the burden and guilt on jewish consciencesness. I agree that jews had been persecuted in other countries but unfortunately discrimination was rife globally against all minorities. Refer also to other sources for historical landscape re this subject and not just Israeli propaganda.

Finlesswonder · 29/10/2023 07:21

The march in London was 100,000 which is surprisingly small for Europe's biggest metropolis, particularly when you allow for the fact that at least half will have been marching not for peace, but in support of fundamentalist islamist violence

EasterIssland · 29/10/2023 07:26

Finlesswonder · 29/10/2023 07:21

The march in London was 100,000 which is surprisingly small for Europe's biggest metropolis, particularly when you allow for the fact that at least half will have been marching not for peace, but in support of fundamentalist islamist violence

I’ve read different numbers. I’ve read 500k and also 1m

btw do you have proof for your accusations or is this part of your hate speech ?

Finlesswonder · 29/10/2023 07:30

I just took the figure from the guardian which is where I get all my news 🤷‍♀️

EasterIssland · 29/10/2023 07:31

Finlesswonder · 29/10/2023 07:30

I just took the figure from the guardian which is where I get all my news 🤷‍♀️

I meant this
when you allow for the fact that at least half will have been marching not for peace, but in support of fundamentalist islamist violence