Justifying the rape of women

[armchairactivist1]

Something I keep coming back to.. for the people whose sympathies lie with the Palestinians and think an eye for an eye and that Hamas have been pushed to act the way they have, how do you justify the brutal rape of women by Hamas?
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Yes. The same thing that is happening right now about the atrocities being committed in Gaza?

Just to add in case it wasn't clear from my first post. I think both are wrong.

Good grief, @Gruntsandgroans - am I minimising that or anything? If you see that, challenge it, as would I, and have done when I've seen questionable posts.
Dear lord. I can't believe this.

No they are not.

Agreed . We were discussing the police at work many years ago and what would happen if law and order completely broke down . One of the blokes piped up " Yeah just image all the rapes that would happen" my blood ran cold .

Thank you for clarifying, because I was a bit shocked.
No justification for denying or minimising atrocities, and that should be the line in the sand.
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I didn't say you were. I'm pretty sure Easternstandard has though. So have very many posters on mumsnet. It is widely accepted that Palestinian children are just collateral damage. Look at all the cries of 'what else do you expect Israel to do?'. Like we can't expect Israel to not kill children at a rate of 1 every 13mins.

Anyway, I'm out, I've got work to do but I will say it again. If it is wrong for someone to say that about Israeli children(and it is), it is wrong to say it about Palestinian children(even if they are teens).

What a claim. You are wrong.

I have spoken up for Jewish posters a fair bit though and against minimisation of the barbarity on October 7th.

You are confusing me with someone else.

Sorry. You have misunderstood me. You have minimised the killing of Palestinian children.

Incorrect again. You won’t find that because I have not posted it.

Apologies if you personally haven't. I'm not wasting my time wading through your posts to check.

I'm not commenting further on this either because like I said I don't agree with that posters methods but their post was a clear mirroring of loads of posts I have seen on here in the last few weeks minimising what is happening to Palestinian children. For me personally, it is wrong to minimise any of it.

I’d prefer if you didn’t make incorrect claims to start with.

You are talking about other posters.

And I still don’t see the pp as ‘mirroring’

As a compassionate human being, I can totally understand why someone who has been brutalised by another culture might be pleased to hear bad news about the other side. In private!

As a compassionate human being, I thibk that anyone celebrating the mass murder or civilians including children I'm under any circumstances is a monster.

Yes you did, for example you posted that Jews everywhere should "exert their influence" to stop the bombing in Gaza.

Well, congratulations on securing the moral high ground! 😇

Big respect to you for knowing that if your child had been killed by XYZ, you'd feel deep humanitarian sorrow if something bad happened to XYZ.

Hopefully we'll never be put to that test 💔

Whose child did the people murdered in the massacre kill exactly?

And yes, I do t think would ever celebrate children being brutally killed even if that had happened to my own. It doesn't make me an angel, just not completely fucking depraved.

I think we've got the wrong end of each other's stick here somehow, not sure how! If you can be arsed reading my other posts, I hope they'll reassure you that's not what I meant.

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...or maybe I'm just shit at expressing myself 😜
What I mean is that if I were a Gazan parent whose child had been killed by an Israeli, if a missile landed in Israel I don't think I'd be thinking "Oh dear, I do hope no one was hurt." And vice versa...

So you don't think it's understandable yo celebrate the 7th October massacres in private?

Do you mean Palestinians, or do you mean Hamas? There is a difference. Just as there is a difference between Israelis and the IDF.

Speaking for myself, even if I had personally suffered at the hands of Israel, I'd disown anyone who could act with that level of sickening barbarity.

Clearly, many folk feel differently.

"Speaking for myself, even if I had personally suffered at the hands of Israel, I'd disown anyone who could act with that level of sickening barbarity.

Clearly, many folk feel differently."

You clearly seem to think it's only one side that celebrates. I've already given you proof that israelis have celebrated over many years at the deaths of Palestinians.
You could've simply said anyone celebrating is sick but you seem to believe as long as the Israelis do it in private it's ok. Just to clarify they don't do it in private either. There's several videos of them making large celebrations at gaza being bombed over the years. Stop expecting one side to behave in a better way, when you have the audacity to excuse the others for doing the same.

Oh don't be so daft. I've clearly said that it's natural for both sides to feel antagonism towards the other.

What doesn't seem natural to me is the open celebration of this level of barbaric atrocity, not just in Gaza but around the world. WTAF is that about...?!

I mean, this sort of thing...?
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Can you explain it to me, please? Given that it's "only Hamas" posing a real threat to Israelis?

You also clearly said it is understandable for isreal to celebrate deaths in private.

"Can you explain it to me, please? Given that it's "only Hamas" posing a real threat to Israelis?"

What??? Who are you quoting. Are you seriously asking me to explain why there's fcked up people in the world who will support and celebrate atrocities? Why should I do that? Can you explain why israelis are OK to chant "death to arabs" and "burn your villages" on their celebrations?
Also a few lunatics supporting hamas shouldn't justify what Israel is doing which is genocide. Nothing justifies the murder of innocent babies.

On that note, some of the earlier posts I skimmed past, just ridiculous. I get that there were reports about beheaded babies etc which were not confirmed. But putting that issue aside, there were still innocent children murdered. Why do we need to debate how they were killed. Isn't it bad enough that they were killed in the first place that we now need to debate in what manner they suffered.

You also clearly said it is understandable for isreal to celebrate deaths in private.
I also said, at least twice, that it was only natural for Gazans to feel the same way. That's human nature.

Re the video I shared, I just can't see similar scales of public celebration relating to Gaza being under attack. Have I missed something? This was New York. And the timing of it, right after 7 Oct. I just don't get it...? Why this, why now?

Completely agree with you about it being somewhat beside the point to debate precisely how babies lose their heads. I said the same earlier.

"Re the video I shared, I just can't see similar scales of public celebration relating to Gaza being under attack. Have I missed something? This was New York. And the timing of it, right after 7 Oct. I just don't get it...? Why this, why now?"

I have seen a few videos of celebrations on Israel's side too. Some recent some old. A recent one was them chanting that gaza is a cemetery etc. I wish I knew how to attach the video, I think YouTube has taken it down once already.
Either way it's all disgusting and frankly terrifying that there could be so much hate towards another person.
I've just seen another report about more people taking down posters of hostages. Like wtf was the purpose of that? How can you expect anyone to feel sympathy for your cause if you can't do the same.