Justifying the rape of women

[armchairactivist1]

Something I keep coming back to.. for the people whose sympathies lie with the Palestinians and think an eye for an eye and that Hamas have been pushed to act the way they have, how do you justify the brutal rape of women by Hamas?
Post edited by MNHQ

Just to add, the reply I got said essentially that if I feel there is misinformation then I can post to that effect, but the thing is I really don't want to add more oxygen or get into some stupid back-and-forth, particularly on such hideous topics where you end up having to share lots of additional, sensitive detail and links to 'prove' something they already know.

True... My only consolation is that anyone reading these threads can spot the nutter a mile off. Also, although historical records might not bother with MN threads, you never know. Bigotry and hatred are always painfully obvious in retrospect.

Thank goodness at least some people tap into the part of their brain that says " should I?" before uploading images and videos of the dead and dying.
One would imagine that the amount of people not desensitised to violence is in the majority.
And like I asked on another thread...What type of person searches out the.videos for the purposes of sensationalism?
I'd be angry if the patient side of me didn't worry about their mental health. It can't be healthy .
It's bad enough when one encounters ghoulish and depressing interviews ,testimony and images on a mainstream internet stroll, much less going into crevices and corners to find it.

Plus, honestly, none of us has any influence over what's happening. We are all just shouting into a bucket, and things will unfold as they will. These nutters are not "controlling the narrative," they're just embarrassing.

It’s a relentless pursuit of more and more ways to appropriate someone’s suffering.

It provides a reason to make someone else’s suffering all about oneself, to use it to validate one’s beliefs. To find a tribe and to be part of something while denying the “other side” they’re suffering.

I’ve said it many times, I find the endless faux naïve requests for first hand accounts prurient and self serving.

I’ve said it many times, I find the endless faux naïve requests for first hand accounts prurient and self serving.

Yes, I feel stupid for buying into them and sharing details that the victims do not deserve to have shared.

It’s entirely on them.

It’s very hard to deal with and the disbelief is horrifying as is their need to see it.

Try not to feel bad

It's easy to fall into that trap.

Totally agreed. There are threads where individuals share they have seen x and y and z. That sort of person seems to actively search out horror as 'research' to find the truth.

Then a woman says she watched another be raped and killed whilst she hide terrified for her life and that she saw dead babies, children beheaded, burnt and obviously raped women by their injuries some ghoul seeker asks for a link or says how do you know it happened. Frankly if a woman says she was raped or saw other women raped or bodies where there are signs of rape etc, I don't need to see that I trust them. Some ghouls doubt and sneer. They are heartless and vile. Shani Louk and the way she was taken and passed around and treated then killed was enough to show what the terrorists ate capable of.

This

This.

I listen to the woman who states she was raped or saw others raped. I don't demand a video recording to prove it. Frankly, those type of individuals disgust me.

@XRAYTHIS @Noelectricheating there are LOTS of posters like that on here....

@Stomacharmeleon

I really don't get it at all.

Women were raped in Haiti by aid workers, no videos to watch, it wasn't questioned, quite rightly.

Women raped by the Taliban in Afghanistan, not on film for all to see and not questioned, quite rightly.

Victims of rape by Hamas and recounting by Jewish women of seeing rape by Hamas whilst hiding, the bodies with broken pelvises from violent rapes, and the response was 'did it really happen, wheres the proof, I don't believe anything Israelis say!'

@XRAYTHIS ah but they are Jewish women.... feminism and doing the right thing... we believe you... goes out the window.

The man interviewed after being captured confessed. Said he was told to rape 'defile' as many as possible.

It's disgusting. Right side of history :/

I agree. The denial is not just mind boggling, but disgusting beyond belief.

The reactions since October the 7th, I could never have predicted this, never thought I would see the like, and definitely not in the UK.

My eyes have been well and truly opened.

Never, never again will anyone ever be able to persuade me that anti-semitism and anti-Israeli feeling aren't deep, deep bedfellows. Too many, far too many, how now proved how profoundly they are.

Quite.

And I mean seriously, what were the chances that Hamas terrorists were not raping? Groups of men, pumped up on adrenaline and absolute power and violence, not raping female ' enemies' - how likely is that? Add in 'Islamic' fanaticism which actively sanctions raping female captives as a god given right.

But no, apparently Hamas have the left wing double 'get of out jail free' card of both being Palestinian (hoorah!) and attacking Israelis (boo hiss!) so apparently video evidence of women being violated is needed as proof (though I am sure if there were it would be derided as CGI fakery), because Hamas terrorists are particularly saintly and self-controlled, presumably because they come from Palestine, or something, and so aren't like other men.

But there's nothing anti-Semitic about this line of thinking at all. Oh no.

People are saying on other threads that the AI generated images of Gaza are true, because they depict the truth, yet they demand a higher standard of proof for the rapes, and the victims have to prove it.

It’s utter madness.

@ChardonnaysBeastlyCat are people distributing AI images and trying to pass them off as genuine?

yes but its ok because its definitely what happened anyway so.... honestly that misinformation thread is actually a...thread full of misinformation.

Yes.,but they depict the truth, so that’s OK.,

Global women's groups silent on rape

https://www.timesofisrael.com/global-womens-rights-groups-silent-as-israeli-women-testify-about-rapes-by-hamas/

Unfortunately I'm not surprised. This is about politics. I find the notion that you can let your political ideals dictate your moral compass, on something so heinous as 7/10, abhorrent.

3 different posters have justified rapes on women and kids over the weekend.

It’s sickening thinking that for some a rape is worse than others and will be happy to justify them.

I don't justify the rape of women for a single solitary second. Nor do I justify the killings bf of children. Next question.

It is so sad that sexual violence continues to be used as a weapon against women, children and men in conflict.

It is horrifying that people continue to minimise or deny it, or that people consider some sexual violence to be less bad on account of who it's against.

It's 'Me Too (unless you appear to belong to a group I don't support for some reason, then meh)' and that's wrong. All sexual violence needs to be taken seriously, investigated and condemned.