Justifying the rape of women

[armchairactivist1]

Something I keep coming back to.. for the people whose sympathies lie with the Palestinians and think an eye for an eye and that Hamas have been pushed to act the way they have, how do you justify the brutal rape of women by Hamas?
Post edited by MNHQ

@Humdingerydoo would like to know where you got that quoted sentence from as the person you’re accusing to be pro hamas hasn’t said it. Stop harassing people that don’t have the same opinion as you

It's from the image they shared in their post.

godknows whether the name "Babit Yariel" was generated by AI, as it sounds... but the image itself is just a random photo of an Israeli soldier, pinched from an article published in June, see below.

It's all very well just copy/pasting bullshit from social media, but I do wish people would be more careful. Earlier on this thread, a PP has just shared an old article describing the rape of an 11-year-old girl by 17 IDF and Israelis, as though this was the gang rape of a Palestinian child. It was actually the daughter of an IDF officer who had had numerous sexual liaisons, pretending to be an older teen. Not that that makes it inoffensive, but it's certainly nothing to do with Palestine.

No problem, I got the quote from the propaganda she added to her most recent post.

I am not harassing her, I'm replying to her insane comments about Israel. Have you seen her posts?

...and you know, if we all want to play the propaganda game, we could just share crap like this. I generally prefer not to because there are nutters on both sides, so it's not really helpful. Also, not speaking the language myself, I have no idea whether the translation is accurate. It appears to show a Muslim woman literally recommending the rape of women, which is quite relevant to this thread topic.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hamasdeadlyattack/comments/17oz814/discussting_a_muslim_interpretation_which_allow/

Everything is so neatly compartmentalised for you isn't it? Israel wrong, Palestine right. You're not alone in your insular ideology. Many other neither use nor ornament brigade have jumped on the marches.

Really not sure why my posts are being deleted? Oh well.

Edited - Oh right, it's for saying she supports Hamas. My apologies.

"What main stream media like to do is make up propaganda and create fake news about Hamas. They need to make them look as evil as possible. The only problem is they never have any real evidence to back the claims." So maybe not supporting them, my bad. Just excusing them and thinking they're not evil.

No doubt the Muslim woman has been brainwashed. I saw an awful scene of a woman being beaten by thick branches by 3 such heroic 'men'. She was in so much pain yet all she cared about was keeping on her head covering.

Gosh!

No offence to anyone, but religion seems to be even more dangerous than alcohol. Widely accepted but lethal.

Good point.

So you admit you lied about me supporting Hamas?
Now read my post again. I said, they like to exaggerate what Hamas do. What they’re actually capable of. I said any claims coming out of Israel that has zero evidence to back it is is hard to believe, especially when it come from those who support and justify innocent deaths.
Im glad you posted because I can use you as an example now. Did you see how you lied about me or exaggerating about me, claiming I support Hamas? When I clearly never said that. Well it is the same thing I reckon. Tut tut.

I will say it once again, I can’t trust a word that comes from a group of people that are capable of denying murdering babies and children in their thousands is acceptable. No respect for a liar or coward. Doesn’t make me antisemitic or pro Hamas.

No, I didn't lie about you supporting Hamas. I misunderstood your saying the massacre on 7th October wasn't as bad as people are saying to mean that you support the actions. I apologise for getting it wrong. Clearly you don't support Hamas.

I also incorrectly interpreted your comments about Israel's only priority being ethnic cleansing of Muslims to imply you hate Israel and want it gone, which is one of Hamas' stated aims. I added 2+2 and got 5. I'm sorry. You're right, you never said any of these things and it's my bad for inferring things from your comments.

These same fanatic Israel supporters are also finding ways to justify the forced sterilisation of black Jews in Palestine and Israel & are calling for a Nakba of Muslim Israelis. They will justify anything that Israel and Netenyahu says and does as they’re fantatics and just as the radical Hindus who murder and rape in ‘god’s name’ in India don’t represent me, I don’t think these fanatic Israeli / Zionists represent most Jews / Arabs. It actually concerns me that some people are conflating anti-Zionism with anti-semetism as a way of shutting down criticism of what Israel is doing. There is no way, no way at all, that ‘getting Hamas’ is worth 10,000+ Palestian child deaths.

Plenty of evidence from Arab Israelis and external organisations of all religions that it’s true.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2016/03/08/israels-religiously-divided-society/

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/05/25/most-israeli-jews-do-not-see-a-lot-of-discrimination-in-their-society/

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel

You tried to lie. You got caught. Now you’re claiming it was a “misunderstanding” and that you “misinterpreted” my comments.
Even if it wasn’t a lie, you clearly tried to jump on the same wagon that says speaking up for Palestinians makes me pro Hamas or antisemitic. Not the same. I am allowed my view without being labelled as something I am not.

I haven't called you anti-semitic. I don't think that speaking up for the Palestinians is the same as being pro Hamas. I think some of your rhetoric has come across as you being pro-Hamas. I haven't said that about every other person advocating for Palestinians on here. Only you. Your views have seemed particularly extreme.

But as you said you don't support Hamas I'm going to have to take that at face value and admit I was wrong. I think you need to tone down your rhetoric though as it's absolutely bonkers. Maybe also try calling Hamas terrorists as I don't think I've seen you do so yet? Just so I know there's something we can agree on.

I'm afraid this is the sort of post that makes rational debate impossible.

@Creatingusernamesismygame that sniper thing isn't true btw:

https://twitter.com/aziz0nomics/status/1722482569097228430

Perhaps "creating user names" is not just the only "game" being played...

Hamas are terrorists. Absolutely. Those young people murdered on the 7th of October goes against everything I believe in. It’s horrible. They were innocents. Hamas should be punished accordingly. When Israel struck back after the 7th of October, I fully understood that they had to and if they did nothing similar attacks would happen A month later and the whole world is pleading with Israel to ceasefire and find a way of minimising the suffering and deaths of innocent civilians. But Israel have instead upped their game and increased the intensity of bombings. Bombings that are killing 160+ children every single day. They are going against all laws of war and the UN. There comes a point where you start questioning the real motive here. It makes you worry that if they don’t care of being held accountable for war crimes then
What hasn’t helped the situation is, people like Suella saying peaceful marches for Palestine are hate marches. Displaying a Palestinian flag is an act of terror. Etc. when it really isn’t. The only thing all this nonsense is doing is, making people like me more determined to be the voice of the those who don’t have a voice.
To me it’s not about the Palestinians, it’s about how a democratic country is getting away with the murder of innocent children in 2023. 2 wrongs have never made a right. And what Israel are doing to the Palestinians today is no longer proportional or proper. If they get away with it, in the future another country may think they can do the same. Laws of war and the UN are totally useless then if one country chooses to do as it pleases.

This.

The minimising, dismissal and comments of not proven around the sadistic, barbaric rapes of women at a festival and kibbutz is disgusting.

Is it because they were Jewish. Listen to yourselves. Independent journalists sat and watched Hamas recorded footage and wept. It happened. This site is mainly women. I feel disgust towards those denying, minimising or excusing, absolute rapes, absolute disgust. Rape is vile.

I don't what to hear back with your whataboutery, you didn't see it on Tic toc so it didn't happen crap. I won't reply, you don't deserve a reply, your comments are horrible.

How vile some women are about what happened to other women.

Well said but I'm starting to doubt some of these outrageous posts are coming from women.

True.

Yes, that's more the point !

Sorry, I changed it. We can't be too careful with AI, as there are probably algorithms that trigger more aggressive posts 😉

Jyst seen a report of an eyewitness statement of Palestinians gang raping an Israeli woman on 7th October and the last one to take a turn shooting her in the head while carrying on raping her.

Of course I suppose posters like @Creatingusernamesismygame want videos or it didn’t happen.

I take it @Creatingusernamesismygame accepts that the Palestinian government did kill some Israelis on October 7th but not that they raped anybody. I mean it’s not like setting children on fire and hacking off someone’s head with a garden hoe is any worse than rape is it. Their moral standards must have stopped short of that?

How the actual fuck anyone could believe anything the people who are capable of committing and/or videoing themselves cheering ‘god is great’ and celebrating atrocities like that,(and bragging to their mothers how many Jews they’d killed) say is absolutely shocking and indicative of them having the brain capacity of a gerbil or being truly evil themselves IMO.