Be ashamed of yourselves

[Thisworld10]

That’s right be ashamed of yourselves. I come in these threads thinking I’ll read someone saying what’s happening to the people of Palestine is awful but what I end up reading is people saying they brought it on themselves because they elected Hamas.

So, what if they elected Hamas. We elected the Conservative party but they don’t speak for me, they certainly don’t act on behalf of the everyday citizen of this country. Be ashamed of yourselves for not valuing the lives of Palestinians but putting so much value on the lives of Israelis.

be ashamed of yourselves for justifying the ethnic cleansing of over 2 million people because Hamas attacked Israel in early October. Be ashamed of yourselves for standing for genocide in 2023!

be ashamed of yourselves for saying we would never allow the holocaust to happen again yet Palestinians are held in an open air prison. It’s literally been called a concentration camp, with no way in or out and they are being rampaged with bombs, white phosphorus bombs being dropped on them non stop. On Sunday night 400 died because of the bombs, over 2000 children are now dead. Be ashamed of yourselves for justifying their deaths and blaming them for it.

be ashamed of yourselves for condoning the protestors for wanting Palestinians to have a right to live a peaceful existence.

be ashamed for bringing history into justifying the slaughter of so many people. Yes, Palestinians did welcome Israelis into the holy land in the 1940’s, it doesn’t mean they get to die now. Yes, Israel has a right to exist, but that doesn’t mean Palestine doesn’t. Yes, Israel has land grabbed and continues to do so but no one is allowed to say anything. Yes, their is no Hamas in the West Bank but why are the Palestinian still being killed. Why are so many people illegally arrested mainly kids - held for decades in Israel prisons. Are they not hostages? Yea, Israel asked asked the Palestinians to move to the south with 24 hours notice for their ‘safety’ yet they are being killed in the south.

be ashamed if you ask any one who stands to defend the rights of Palestinians if they condemn Hamas. Everyone condemns Hamas. Being pro Palestinian doesn’t mean your pro-Hamas. I also condemn the barbarian acts of genocide committed by Israel. I condemn the open displays of hate for Palestinian people - calling them human animals etc.

Be ashamed if you think it’s so great they are letting a trickle of aid in but no fuel to run hospitals. Electricity ran out last night in the hospital. So many babies reliant in incubators will die as a result. be ashamed if you think it’s okay for world leaders to not call for a ceasefire and instead show 100% support to what Israel
is doing.

no one has the right to hold one life more dearer than another.

you should be ashamed of yourselves for valuing some over others.

Yes, I'm sure I saw millions on pro Palestine marches all over the world.
The protests at the Celtic match etc.

Kill someone on purpose, it is murder.

You think Israel is deliberately targeting Gazan children? Believe me, the whole population would have been wiped out by now if that was their intention.

@Gruntsandgroans
The only ones being killed on purpose in Gaza are terrorists. The rest of the deaths are not on purpose. Stop pretending otherwise. Again, language matters.

@OhHelloTheres I pray your little one and all the other children keep safe. Despite our different views on some issues my stance on children is the same as I am sure is yours. The children are all ours. Every single one of them.

The pps trying to justify the actions of the genociders against Palestinians in such convoluted illogical ways in this thread is laughable and shows such lack of respect towards people with a mind of their own who can see what's happening without any filters.

Did you attend the Hasbara School?

@OhHelloTheres @Alcemeg just to name a few.

Hasbara (Hebrew: הַסְבָּרָה) has no direct English translation, but roughly means "explaining". It is a communicative strategy that "seeks to explain actions, whether or not they are justified".
Wiki

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-art-of-deception-how-israel-uses-hasbara-to-whitewash-its-crimes-46775

Many residential blocks housing civilians, safe spaces like UN schools and Refugee camps have been targeted. Hospitals have been targeted by air strikes (not talking about Al Ahli but others) since the war started palestinian children have been killed in the west bank too.
I'm sure you can see why there is outrage?

What do you mean exactly by this post as I don't want to jump to conclusions?

Calling things by different names doesn’t make killing thousands of innocent children ok.

Bullshit.

IDF commanders have said they are going for destruction not accuracy.

If you drop hi explosive on a building at night where people sleep, you are deliberately and knowingly killing them.

Likewise if you cut off fuel and water, the Israelis know that will kill people in hospitals.

Of course had Hamas not committed their vile attacks on 7th Oct, this latest round of violence wouldn't have happened & of course Israel is right to go after the Terrorists but they gone too far now.

To me these bombing missions in Gaza are more to do with the fact that Netanyahu took his eye off the ball and they weren't keeping watch on Hamas, so now he plays the tough guy.

@Alcemeg this is from an hour ago from the BBC. This man's wife and children were killed In a Refugee camp. One questions why refugee camps housing mostly women and children are targeted by strikes over and over again
The journalist whose family were murdered yesterday were also residing in a refugee camp. They leave their homes like Israel instructs them too but are murdered regardless

In Jabalia refugee camp, in the north of Gaza, an Israeli air strike killed a mother and her four children. Sitting in hospital, the children's father holds his baby boy's body.
"He is only two months and a half old, what did he do?" the man says to Reuters news agency.
"Did he kill? Did he wound someone? Did he kidnap someone? They were innocent children inside their house."

Obviously, war is horrible.

Do you understand Hamas's use of human shields and what effect this is having on the numbers of civilians killed?

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

@Ohlalalalala
You’re definitely on to something with the Hasbara link. They don’t even do it well.

Hamas isn’t killing them. Israel
is.

For anyone wanting to have an unfiltered view on the reality in Gaza please follow the link of Motaz Azaiza's Instagram. He's a journalist with 8.6 million followers. Be advised that content is mostly very graphic as he generally broadcasts live.

https://instagram.com/motazazaiza?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

We have had this human shield argument many times. Once again if we say that this is the case does it justify indiscriminate bombing? Bbc and other news reports are showing before and after pictures of many areas in gaza. Whole areas destroyed? In one of the most densely populated areas in the world. I for one do not believe that Israel is taking care to only target Hamas. I think they don't care who gets killed in the process and the means justify the end. Netanyahu knows full well his days in power are numbered and will do anything to show he's in control

Did you attend the Hasbara School??

Why would I do that? I'm not Jewish or Israeli. In fact, a couple of weeks ago I was more supportive of "the Palestinians" in this situation. Only I didn't just sit there looking up things that would support my prejudices, or blindly following clickbait.

As for Hasbara, you are very naive if you don't understand that all governments have a PR strategy.

I mean exactly what I said - they're victims of a war and therefore are killed, not murdered. Saying an army is murdering someone implies they're specifically targeting them. They're not. That's all I mean and that's all I said. I'm sure you'll be jumping to conclusions anyway though - seems to be your MO. Eg your nonsense hasbara comment and implying you are the only person here seeing things the correct way 🤦🏻‍♀️

@Parkingt111
We have had this human shield argument many times. Once again if we say that this is the case does it justify indiscriminate bombing?

You really don't understand the meaning of "human shield" because if you did, you'd know that it makes nonsense out of the word "indiscriminate."

Please, please, please try and educate yourself on this. It's not difficult if you have access to the internet.

Of course they are. Who do they think is going to get hurt when they bomb around UNRWA schools if not UNRWA workers and children?

The IDF have a long history of murdering Palestinian children. I'm sure that you know this.

@Alcemeg did I say you're Jewish or Israeli? You don't have to be either to be a zionist. I always strive to see the truth as it is instead of blaming a genocide on an entire population just to whitewash the criminals who are committing it.

In fact, more and more Jewish and/ or Israelis are condemning the atrocities committed by the genociders:

‘Not in my name’: The European Jews condemning Israel’s war on Gaza https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2023/10/23/not-in-my-name-the-european-jews-condemning-israels-war-on-gaza

Jews United Against Zionism.
https://twitter.com/TorahJudaism

Brave people.

Me, a Zionist! 🤣 Now, that's made me laugh, thank you.

Can you show me similar links to "Palestinians" condemning the 7 Oct attacks, please? Because I'm sure you'd agree they absolutely should.

A sophisticated civilisation permits freedom of speech.

To be honest, this is the sort of contrast between cultures that has destroyed the sympathy I once had for "Palestine."

@Alcemeg I see we will have to respectfully agree to disagree on this.
During the course of this war I have been trying to read objective viewpoints of both sides aswell as trying to engage with posters living within Israel to understand what its like there. Despite all of that I cannot condone many of the actions of the Israeli army in the name of self defence

This is another excerpt I just read in the guardian. I will never in my life be able to condone this no matter who is doing it

Philippe Lazzarini, who runs the UN agency for Palestine refugees, has written an opinion piece for the Guardian, warning that Gaza is “becoming the graveyard of a population trapped between war, siege and deprivation”.
Lazzarini writes:
Nearly 600,000 people are sheltering in 150 schools and other UNRWA buildings, living in unsanitary conditions with limited clean water, little food and medicines. Mothers do not know how they can clean their children. Pregnant women pray that they will not face complications during delivery because hospitals have no capacity to receive them. Entire families now live in our buildings because they have nowhere else to go.

“But our facilities are not safe – 40 UNRWA buildings, including schools and warehouses, have been damaged by the strikes. Many civilians sheltering inside them were, tragically, killed.”

I'm not sure what you think we're disagreeing on, @Parkingt111 , if you post that as though I am unaware of the horrors of war.

But you're clearly only interested in reacting to what's happening, rather than trying to better understand why, or you would have made the effort to find out what a human shield is and what difference that makes to things.

I am well aware what a human shield is

You believe Israel is only targeting Hamas

I disagree and believe they don't care who gets hit aslong as some Hamas fighters get hit too.

I believe if a building has a 500 civilians and say 5 hamas fighters it does not make it a legitimate target in this war