Be ashamed of yourselves

[Thisworld10]

That’s right be ashamed of yourselves. I come in these threads thinking I’ll read someone saying what’s happening to the people of Palestine is awful but what I end up reading is people saying they brought it on themselves because they elected Hamas.

So, what if they elected Hamas. We elected the Conservative party but they don’t speak for me, they certainly don’t act on behalf of the everyday citizen of this country. Be ashamed of yourselves for not valuing the lives of Palestinians but putting so much value on the lives of Israelis.

be ashamed of yourselves for justifying the ethnic cleansing of over 2 million people because Hamas attacked Israel in early October. Be ashamed of yourselves for standing for genocide in 2023!

be ashamed of yourselves for saying we would never allow the holocaust to happen again yet Palestinians are held in an open air prison. It’s literally been called a concentration camp, with no way in or out and they are being rampaged with bombs, white phosphorus bombs being dropped on them non stop. On Sunday night 400 died because of the bombs, over 2000 children are now dead. Be ashamed of yourselves for justifying their deaths and blaming them for it.

be ashamed of yourselves for condoning the protestors for wanting Palestinians to have a right to live a peaceful existence.

be ashamed for bringing history into justifying the slaughter of so many people. Yes, Palestinians did welcome Israelis into the holy land in the 1940’s, it doesn’t mean they get to die now. Yes, Israel has a right to exist, but that doesn’t mean Palestine doesn’t. Yes, Israel has land grabbed and continues to do so but no one is allowed to say anything. Yes, their is no Hamas in the West Bank but why are the Palestinian still being killed. Why are so many people illegally arrested mainly kids - held for decades in Israel prisons. Are they not hostages? Yea, Israel asked asked the Palestinians to move to the south with 24 hours notice for their ‘safety’ yet they are being killed in the south.

be ashamed if you ask any one who stands to defend the rights of Palestinians if they condemn Hamas. Everyone condemns Hamas. Being pro Palestinian doesn’t mean your pro-Hamas. I also condemn the barbarian acts of genocide committed by Israel. I condemn the open displays of hate for Palestinian people - calling them human animals etc.

Be ashamed if you think it’s so great they are letting a trickle of aid in but no fuel to run hospitals. Electricity ran out last night in the hospital. So many babies reliant in incubators will die as a result. be ashamed if you think it’s okay for world leaders to not call for a ceasefire and instead show 100% support to what Israel
is doing.

no one has the right to hold one life more dearer than another.

you should be ashamed of yourselves for valuing some over others.

Thank you Belgium! We need other countries to follow suit!

Absolutely!!!
Thankyou Belgium.

I highly recommend this thoughtful and even-handed piece from the NY Times - I'm posting a share token, hope it works!

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/04/opinion/sunday/israel-palestine-speech-debate.html?unlockedarticle_code=1.70w.hVdg.takubV_sNdUL&smid=url-share

The difference is that PIRA wasn't just militarily defeated, but ideologically defeated as well.

PIRA member John Crawley, an ex-US Marine before joining PIRA, asserted:

"It was a defeat for the Republican Movement, a complete military and ideological defeat across the board that opened up career paths for certain members of the leadership, but left us ideologically destroyed."

Crawley also described the British as "masters at counter-insurgency".

The United States defeated the Taliban militarily, but NOT ideologically which means they ignored the lessons learnt from the British Army's success in Northern Ireland. See US Major General David J. Rapone's book.

Al-Quaida didn't become Islamic State. They are separate groups with different goals. Al-Quaida is still around since it was defeated militarily but NOT ideologically.

Same for ISIS.

Ideology is the oxygen for terrorist groups. Defeating any terrorist group militarily is only half the battle. The more damaging defeat is the ideological one which explains why PIRA were defeated and their remnants today are pretty ineffective launching only symbolic attacks for propaganda purposes.

What the US and Allies did was they stopped at a military defeat of Al-Quaida and ISIS in order to focus on nation building in Iraq and Afghanistan. They also tried building a 300k strong army in each place which isn't very effective. Much easier to build a special forces unit of 20-30k soldiers which has a higher chance of success.

Thus, the ideology that is the oxygen of terrorist groups ultimately allowed Al-Quaida, ISIS and Taliban to rebuild themselves whilst the Allies were busy with nation building. 🤦‍♂️

Also, the PLO didn't morph into anything as it became marginalised following the 1993 Oslo Accord. It was replaced by the Palestinian Authority of which Fatah is the biggest faction with its own terrorist wing too.

I respect your opinon but it isn't mine or other parties.

From The Times of Israel (which you have quoted from before):

But even human rights lawyers who have been deeply critical of Israeli policy and actions in Gaza and the West Bank say the genocide term doesn’t apply. As some Palestinian advocates are newly making the case that Israeli policy in Gaza fits some definitions of genocide, Jewish and Israeli human rights lawyers across the political spectrum use words like “ridiculous” and “baseless” to describe the accusation.
cide is, and I think it cheapens the very important and grave concept of genocide,” said Michael Sfard, a prominent Israeli human rights attorney who wrote a legal opinion last year arguing that Israel is committing the crime of apartheid in the West Bank.
Meanwhile, some Jews say that hearing the country being accused of genocide feels like a special affront given its connection to the Holocaust, the Nazi genocide against Jews that gave rise to the term.
“Specifically picking the crime the Jewish people have suffered, perhaps more than any other people in history, is not only to accuse us of a great crime but to negate our suffering as a people,” said Eugene Kontorovich, an international law scholar who has defended Israel’s wartime conduct.
According to an analysis provided to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency by the Network Contagion Research Institute, which studies the spread of hate online, tweets including the words “Israel” and “genocide” were posted hundreds of times per hour throughout the fighting. At one point on May 14, tweets with those two words were shared more than 2,000 times per hour. One tweet about “the ongoing Israeli genocide in Palestine” was shared more than 3,700 times.
The genocide charge was far from the only criticism of Israel that went viral during this period. But it was perhaps the most extreme — and widely disputed.
“First and foremost, in order to commit the crime of genocide, one needs to have an intention to exterminate, in whole or in part, a group,” Sfard said. “And in the 30 years of my activism and more than 20 years of litigation, I haven’t seen a shred of evidence that Israeli officials and decision-makers hold such an intention.”

You went through the whole thread to find something i wrote 12 days ago to disagree with 😂 that is some dedication.
Although you did do it respectfully this time so credit to you there

Just watching the bbc news.
they should

Be Ashamed of Themseves
.
Are the British Government controlling the bbc so utterly that they can’t seem to report what is happening in Gaza

Whilst the innocent are being bombed we only see a minute of what’s going on. Yet a huge report of what’s going on in Israel, the mourning for the lost and hostages. Yes we understand that and we understand the hostages are still hostages but the bbc are rehashing news to avoid telling us what is actually going on in the news today.

Avoiding telling the British public about current news because that would highlight the atrocities being committed by the oh so beloved Israel.

This news is all that most people will see.
Most people won’t be bothered to search for the truth.
What has this country become

Did you miss the part where they filmed in a hospital in Gaza? Or are in just pissed of that they dared to mention the hostages and their families too?

Of course they are committing genocide.
Do people really need the dictionary definition to understand this.

No I didn’t see that.

I will respond however in order to report what I did see that I haven’t already mentioned

I saw a man being interviewed after they pulled him from the rubble of his family home in an area in the South they were told to go to.
He stated there were 27 members of his family under the rubble. It looked like only he had been found at that time.

The whole of the bbc article was clearly biased. In the past they have always appeared to to be respectful of both opinions and sides.
They appeared to report the news, ie what is actually going on today!
But Today definitely not.
Disgraceful.

I didn’t pick up on whether they have started to use the word terrorist.
I assume not, but we’ll see how things transpire with time.

The BBC report tonight was staggering in the contrast between the table laid out for the hostages taken from Israel and the people being pulled from the rubble in Gaza.

Absolutely.
The bbc are usually very quick to move on from news that is a month old.
Even with Grenfell we only heard the occasional update as investigations went on but it seems the bbc are not moving on and reporting recent news.

Of course the Palestinians couldn’t lay out a table for more than 10,000 people killed plus the thousands of hostages taken by Israel. They don’t have any furniture, or anything for that matter!

Looking beyond the propaganda its all obvious

Bloody hell!

Do the hostages have to be grateful that they are fed? Does that make things ok?

Oh it’s ok, you’ve killed my friends and family in front of me, you’ve raped, mutilated and burned my family, but that falafel makes it all ok again.

It's an ongoing news story, given they're still being held hostage. I'm sorry they're not worthy enough to be talked about for you.

They are very worthy.
All people affected are equally worthy, especially those killed, taken hostage, those that have lost their family, homes and livelihood….what a thing to say

The bbc reporting of the current atrocities, however are overshadowing those atrocities. It’s subliminal propaganda.

The news is about current affairs and should be equally balanced.

Maybe this is down to the Director General being conservative.

Stop posting inaccurate and offensive analogies

There was no analogy in that post, offensive or otherwise wtf are you talking about?

Great new name change @crimsonfleet
no one else would remember your comment and certainly not stand by it.
but hey!!
if you’re that invested

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12726499/Inside-Israel-tunnel-war-Hamas-Gaza-IDF.html

The wise reservists quoted in this link represent the best of Israel which just wants to live at peace yet is attacked again and again.

And what they're also failing to report is the fact that the Israelis are protesting against their own government and do not agree with Netanyahu's actions. That many Israeli's have actually researched the history and realised they have been fed lies and what is happening to Palestine is wrong. They relied on their people's ignorance.

Quite right that absolutely should be reported !

Meanwhile Reports of a Palestinian beaten in custody.
Not the first we’ve heard of I know
Ahed Tamimi was arrested in the West Bank and holds a prominent position
Believe Israel holds over 10,000 Palestinian hostages includes 170 children, figures which have doubled since 7/10

They make a good point.

www.instagram.com/reel/CzU5gbkvImM/?igshid=Z3lwYXk0eTdvazk0

Heres to many more countries pulling their support and their people seeing the treatment of Palestinians for what it really is.
So sad to see so many forced to walk away from their homes today