Be ashamed of yourselves

[Thisworld10]

That’s right be ashamed of yourselves. I come in these threads thinking I’ll read someone saying what’s happening to the people of Palestine is awful but what I end up reading is people saying they brought it on themselves because they elected Hamas.

So, what if they elected Hamas. We elected the Conservative party but they don’t speak for me, they certainly don’t act on behalf of the everyday citizen of this country. Be ashamed of yourselves for not valuing the lives of Palestinians but putting so much value on the lives of Israelis.

be ashamed of yourselves for justifying the ethnic cleansing of over 2 million people because Hamas attacked Israel in early October. Be ashamed of yourselves for standing for genocide in 2023!

be ashamed of yourselves for saying we would never allow the holocaust to happen again yet Palestinians are held in an open air prison. It’s literally been called a concentration camp, with no way in or out and they are being rampaged with bombs, white phosphorus bombs being dropped on them non stop. On Sunday night 400 died because of the bombs, over 2000 children are now dead. Be ashamed of yourselves for justifying their deaths and blaming them for it.

be ashamed of yourselves for condoning the protestors for wanting Palestinians to have a right to live a peaceful existence.

be ashamed for bringing history into justifying the slaughter of so many people. Yes, Palestinians did welcome Israelis into the holy land in the 1940’s, it doesn’t mean they get to die now. Yes, Israel has a right to exist, but that doesn’t mean Palestine doesn’t. Yes, Israel has land grabbed and continues to do so but no one is allowed to say anything. Yes, their is no Hamas in the West Bank but why are the Palestinian still being killed. Why are so many people illegally arrested mainly kids - held for decades in Israel prisons. Are they not hostages? Yea, Israel asked asked the Palestinians to move to the south with 24 hours notice for their ‘safety’ yet they are being killed in the south.

be ashamed if you ask any one who stands to defend the rights of Palestinians if they condemn Hamas. Everyone condemns Hamas. Being pro Palestinian doesn’t mean your pro-Hamas. I also condemn the barbarian acts of genocide committed by Israel. I condemn the open displays of hate for Palestinian people - calling them human animals etc.

Be ashamed if you think it’s so great they are letting a trickle of aid in but no fuel to run hospitals. Electricity ran out last night in the hospital. So many babies reliant in incubators will die as a result. be ashamed if you think it’s okay for world leaders to not call for a ceasefire and instead show 100% support to what Israel
is doing.

no one has the right to hold one life more dearer than another.

you should be ashamed of yourselves for valuing some over others.

Each side hates the other and each side wants the other to be annihilated. The only answer is to forcibly separate them. Only the US has the power to do this. If they withdrew support/money/arms/protection for Israel then Israel would have to comply. Neither country can exist in its current form. Something radical needs to be done. The entire geography of the area and the problem needs examining and starting again, from scratch.

The West created this mess, we need to help sort it out.

She was incredibly brave
Did you see the reaction she got
The immediate shouting of no and booing and hate
Yet she stood strong

Yes indeed.

Good for her!

Why are Israel's supporters all so singularly unpleasant? It's quite incredible,

Do they not realise the harm they are doing to their cause?

I started out relatively neutral in this conflict but reading so many hateful, irrationally one-side opinions (including from people I used to respect) has turned me completely against Israel.

The crying woman in Gaza, saying that "this is all because of Hamas dogs" is incredibly brave. Did you see the reaction she got. Man trying to cover her mouth

She is partly correct.
But the bombs are being dropped by Israel.

The bombs are dropped both sides. Hamas is not throwing stones

To be honest I'm the same but with Palestinians

Seeing the anti semetism, the double standards across social media

Plus some posters on here that spam every thread with same thing over and over.

I was neutral but when I listen to Hamas leaders preaching genocide from their luxury homes in Qatar (they have no problem with "open air prisons") and the lack of any denouncing of Hamas from Palestinians then I lose respect

It's quite polarising really

Very brave!!

Same here @backtowinter .

I was meaning the leadership in their Doha luxury.

@Thisworld10 I haven't read the entirety of your opening post yet.

But there is absolutely no equivalence between British people voting for the Conservatives in the UK and Palestinians in Gaza voting for Hamas.

One is a normal democratic political party whilst the other is a terrorist group which has a political and military wing.

One holds elections whilst the other has the power to not hold elections.

Do you see where I'm going with this? 🤔

You fell into the False Equivalence Fallacy right from the off!

As bad as the Conservative Party can be at times, I don't believe they are going to stage a massacre akin to what happened on October 7 !

Same here...

On the contrary, I didn't miss that point. And that attempted point is what False Equivalence looks like.

When Hamas formed in 1987, they had minimal support from Palestinians. But in 2021, support for Hamas dramatically increased as AP News reported:

apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87

In 2022, respected Palestinian pollster Khalil Shikaki and his Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PCPSR) carried out a survey looking at Palestinian support for armed groups. Main takeaways below:

• 72% of Palestinians support forming more armed groups in West Bank

• in Gaza, 84% of respondents supported concept of armed groups taking NO orders from the Palestinian Authority. This is HIGHER than in the West Bank where 65% supported the idea.

www.pcpsr.org/en/node/924

And:

"....there is widespread popular appeal for competing armed Palestinian factions, including those involved in the attack. Overall, 57% of Gazans express at least a somewhat positive opinion of Hamas—along with similar percentages of Palestinians in the West Bank (52%) and East Jerusalem (64%)—though this is fewer than those who support Fatah (64%).

But it is organizations like Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and Lion’s Den that receive the most widespread popular support in Gaza. About three quarters of Gazans express support for both groups, including 40% who see the Lion’s Den in a “very positive” light, an attitude shared by a similar percentage of West Bank residents."

www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah#:~:text=Overall%2C%2057%25%20of%20Gazans%20express,who%20support%20Fatah%20(64%25).

So, the support for Hamas, Lion's Den and other Palestinian armed groups is there from the Palestinian population. A minority do not support them.

Important to note that Abbas' Fatah party also has an armed wing - Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade. So, there is a LOT of Palestinian support for terrorist groups overall.

So, not all Palestinians support Hamas. But it is NOT wrong to say that a majority of Palestinians support terrorist groups.

And your Ad Hominem at the end is noted so....🤷‍♂️

You completely !!!!!! missed what OP was saying.
Its a matter of comprehension. Don’t you see that. Clearly you really don’t.

See you couldn’t stop yourself posting one of your very long posts though.
Think I’ll do as others do.

Again, not so. You're missing the point about the levels of support within Gaza for Hamas and other terrorist groups.

Attempting to compare electing Hamas with any UK party as well as levels of support is a false equivalence.

How many more must be killed

Oo
Looks like Bahrain is another to cut all economic ties with Israel.
Finally! Some countries are starting to see this for what it really is.

So Palestinians want their leadership to be armed. A military as well as a political wing.
Don't Israelis want an army? Isn’t there a British army? A US army?

Meanwhile Israel targets another FOUR UN SCHOOLS
in just 24 hours
Killing dozens and injuring many more
Pretty sure we will have someone coming along soon enough to justify it

All located at refugee camps