Be ashamed of yourselves

[Thisworld10]

That’s right be ashamed of yourselves. I come in these threads thinking I’ll read someone saying what’s happening to the people of Palestine is awful but what I end up reading is people saying they brought it on themselves because they elected Hamas.

So, what if they elected Hamas. We elected the Conservative party but they don’t speak for me, they certainly don’t act on behalf of the everyday citizen of this country. Be ashamed of yourselves for not valuing the lives of Palestinians but putting so much value on the lives of Israelis.

be ashamed of yourselves for justifying the ethnic cleansing of over 2 million people because Hamas attacked Israel in early October. Be ashamed of yourselves for standing for genocide in 2023!

be ashamed of yourselves for saying we would never allow the holocaust to happen again yet Palestinians are held in an open air prison. It’s literally been called a concentration camp, with no way in or out and they are being rampaged with bombs, white phosphorus bombs being dropped on them non stop. On Sunday night 400 died because of the bombs, over 2000 children are now dead. Be ashamed of yourselves for justifying their deaths and blaming them for it.

be ashamed of yourselves for condoning the protestors for wanting Palestinians to have a right to live a peaceful existence.

be ashamed for bringing history into justifying the slaughter of so many people. Yes, Palestinians did welcome Israelis into the holy land in the 1940’s, it doesn’t mean they get to die now. Yes, Israel has a right to exist, but that doesn’t mean Palestine doesn’t. Yes, Israel has land grabbed and continues to do so but no one is allowed to say anything. Yes, their is no Hamas in the West Bank but why are the Palestinian still being killed. Why are so many people illegally arrested mainly kids - held for decades in Israel prisons. Are they not hostages? Yea, Israel asked asked the Palestinians to move to the south with 24 hours notice for their ‘safety’ yet they are being killed in the south.

be ashamed if you ask any one who stands to defend the rights of Palestinians if they condemn Hamas. Everyone condemns Hamas. Being pro Palestinian doesn’t mean your pro-Hamas. I also condemn the barbarian acts of genocide committed by Israel. I condemn the open displays of hate for Palestinian people - calling them human animals etc.

Be ashamed if you think it’s so great they are letting a trickle of aid in but no fuel to run hospitals. Electricity ran out last night in the hospital. So many babies reliant in incubators will die as a result. be ashamed if you think it’s okay for world leaders to not call for a ceasefire and instead show 100% support to what Israel
is doing.

no one has the right to hold one life more dearer than another.

you should be ashamed of yourselves for valuing some over others.

@Xenia despite the murder of atleast 20 journalists by Israel till date not a single IDF soldier has been charged

https://cpj.org/reports/2023/05/deadly-pattern-20-journalists-died-by-israeli-military-fire-in-22-years-no-one-has-been-held-accountable/

No OP. Nobody has to justify themselves to you and you don’t get to be the moral arbiter of others.

I cant believe that people are finding it difficult to believe that 7000 people have been murdered in Gaza

From the BBC
Document released purportedly containing names of Palestinians killedThe Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza has issued a 212-page document that it claims contains the names and ID numbers of more than 7,000 Palestinians killed.
It said the people listed were killed during Israel's bombardment of the enclave.
Earlier, Joe Biden and the Israeli military had questioned the casualty figures issued by authorities in Gaza.

I think I’ve learnt how to tag people properly.

@Alcemeg yes that’s exactly what I’m saying. We must be reading different things. The only person to give Palestinians a platform to speak about what’s happening is Piers Morgan Uncensored and even then he interrogates them rather than interviewing them ofcourse starting with the question every western journalist asks a Palestinian - ‘do you condemn Hamas?’. Literally, I’ve seen people talking about double digit number of family members bombed and the interviewer won’t even offer condolences but instead will ask, do you condemn Hamas?

after the appalling attacks on 7th October every single newspaper from the dailymail, guardian to the New York Times was covering every single aspect of it and rightly so, it needed that coverage. In the days and weeks that have followed and it’s become more and more obvious Israel is out to kill as many as it can get away with, and at this rate it will be all of them. Where is the similar coverage? There isn’t any? Where is the world condemnation? There isn’t any or if it is it’s barely apparent. Right now if you were to look at the front covers of papers you wouldn’t see the same level of coverage. Thousands of Children have died and last night we have Biden saying he doesn’t believe the numbers because they are from Palestine. Well let in an independent agency to count the dead then? He’s minimising the numbers to make it look less evil. He doesn’t want the 36% of the electorate that still might vote him in again to see the blood on his hands.

EU’s Ursula literally ran to condemn Hamas and offer Israel her support, literally tripping over herself. Where is her condemnation now? Ukraine when they were without electricity etc she was calling it out? Her silence speaks volumes? We’ve had Sunak the great today still spewing word vomit. He still ain’t calling for a ceasefire, no we’ll have a pause in the killings so we can say aren’t we nice look at us letting some aid in.

and on the note of aid, what dumbass argument is it that we won’t let fuel in because Hamas might get it. Instead we’ll be so kind as to kill all the babies in incubators, and let everyone else die to, because aren’t we the state of Israel so mind. If it was the other way round do you honestly think this would be allowed to happen? No is the answer in case your confused.

If Israel wants to minimise civilian casualties it would make sure fuel got in and out some of its oh so very, very strong soldiers in to man where ever it is the fuel goes in. But no they are too busy pressing the bomb button and then taking a break to make tik tok dance videos.

in What kind of a war does a war do soldiers have time to make dance videos for social media? That’s right this isn’t a war so they have all the time in the world.

if Palestinian influencers were making videos mocking the Israeli’s with bomb videos, gas and electricity ones - look we have it you don’t. They would get their arse handed to them. Instead they can do this because there’s no condemnation.

The UN chief just happened to say something about the Palestinian situation and Israel threw its toys out the pram, refusing him visa’s. Refused the UN visa’s. My god! The nerve. The guy had to come on and clarify his view point.

So no we aren’t watching the same things if you think there has been international outrage. The queen of Jordan literally spoke yesterday of the double standards.

Please can we not promote Palestinian on the stick in the ground in Gaza accounts, a journalist had his family killed yesterday because he wouldn’t stop reporting and was a prominent journalist. Other people on the ground (stuck there) are scared please don’t promote them, they didn’t ask for this.

Apologies for all my typos.

Well said OP

This is what army backed settlers in the West Bank have posted to the people who live there:

I don't know, you'll have to ask Hamas why it's more important to kill an Israeli (any Israeli will do, they're not picky) than to save a Palestinian. They're the ones not valuing life.

@OhHelloTheres i don’t think @Parker231 can she doesn’t have their number. Again not every pro- Palestinian is a Hamas supporter or has to their number

That image is a result of unequivocal support from the world. The world and its silence is enabling them to get so confident they can literally say we want you off this land. Let’s have another Nakba.

I read recently that in September the Israeli PM showed a new state of Israel map to the UN of a greater Israel: https://www.commondreams.org/news/netanyahu-map

@Thisworld10
I think you need to take a break. You've completely missed my point. I was quite clearly not suggesting she actually call up Hamas, but that an Israel supporter won't have any answers for her as it's not Israel that doesn't think Palestinian lives are worth saving - it's their own leaders.

I've never said that being pro-Palestinian means you're pro-Hamas.

Seriously, take a break. Come back to it tomorrow. I'm sure we'll all still be here, still going around in utterly pointless circles without anyone ever admitting there's a chance they're not 100% right, that there might be more to this than good vs bad. Without anyone listening to what the other side is trying to say.

Neither Netanyahu or Hamas are currently valuing lives.

I’m finding your posts and proof very interesting and informative.
Thankyou for posting

Not difficult at all, 7000 deaths in a tiny area bombed 24/7? surprised its not more.

Ch4 reporting that an IDF General told their reporter that Gaza City will be reduced to a car park before the IDF go into Gaza in numbers... as there are still very large number of people there, that will mean large numbers of deaths.

Lovely!
One giant racist land grab is what this is

One giant, racist, murdering land-grab

@OhHelloTheres sorry, you’re right I probably should take a break. But I can’t because I can’t stop watching the horrors coming out of Gaza and the lack of condemnation. I put my phone down and come back to find more horrors.

just today a UN school was bombed, 39 more members of a family have been killed in another separate to the school murder. That’s all whilst I wasn’t even looking just doing my normal everyday stuff. then I come across this image:

I am actually going to try and not look at this tonight. I just want the world to do something and stop Israel terrorising these people. The only terrorist I can see right now is the state of Israel.

Excellent post and you've expressed just how I feel but you put it better than I could have done.

Don't pretend you don't enjoy the Righteous Indignation. Chastising people anonymously from the comfort of your own home. Deliberately seeking out content on social media to be Outraged about and telling people off for not being as Outraged as you are.

To be fair, isn't that we're all doing?! Making sense of the incomprehensible, as best we can?

No need to be so aggressive!

Thank you OP for this thread, I absolutely agree.

The message left from the settlers in the West Bank that you posted is utterly, utterly appalling. Supporters of the Israeli govt, this is what you align yourselves with, because that is the plan now essentially; to force out any Palestinians.

It’s disgusting.

And before you do the obvious- no one aligns with hamas, we align only with the millions of innocents caught up in this madness. It’s called humanity.

Shame on those that ignore this blatant ethnic cleansing.

There was a tiktok today of someone finding a child and posting "he's still alive!"

The response?

An Israeli flag, and "don't worry, we will get him next time for sure."

Like the OP isn't being aggressive.

So supporters of Israel are automatically in support of settlers but supporters of the Palestinians are not automatically in support of Hamas? Alrighty then!

I sometimes wonder if people genuinely don't see how absurd they're being or if they just don't care about how absurd they're being.

Anyway, the violent settlers should all be sent to jail as they're no better than Hamas. They're a disgrace and I do not support them.