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Reach out to your Jewish and Muslim / Palestinian friends

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TootlesPoodle · 22/10/2023 12:16

Posting in AIBU for traffic.

I’ve got a few Jewish and Muslim friends (with links to Palestine) and many of them have said they’re a bit saddened that friends / employers etc. aren’t reaching out to them to check in at what is obviously a stressful and upsetting time. Especially when similar terrorist attacks, conflicts / aggressions, murders, civil rights issues are usually followed by a big effort to check in with diaspora people or those with links or family or who may be feeling particularly triggered or scared by seeing people like them being targeted.

Lots of British Jews in particular are struggling with the silence from their friends and colleagues because

  • the global Jewish population is very small which means most diaspora Jews will have relatives and friends in Israel, even if they have never been there and strongly disagree with the current regime
  • most have grown up hearing stories of grandparents and relatives who were murdered in or fled pogroms or concentration camps, but these things were firmly in the PAST, nightmares and stories. So seeing a pogrom style attack happening to Jewish civilians again is terrifying.
  • For lots of diaspora Jews, the idea of Israel as a safe place of refuge that they could go to if there was nowhere else to flee too is comforting. Whether they agree with the current Israeli government or not. Knowing there was at least one safe place where they wouldn’t have to face what their relatives faced if another holocaust or pogroms happened, feels a bit like having an emergency savings account / fuck off fund. You hope you’ll never need it, you don’t need it right now, but knowing it’s there in case the worst happens makes you feel safe. Israel now no longer feels safe, both because of what Hamas have done and because the way the Israeli government is over responding is going to fuel hatred of the country and its citizens and probably diaspora Jews too.

British Muslims or Palestinians, especially those with links to Palestine, will be feeling similarly angry, terrified and stressed. They’ll be worried about friends and relatives, scarred by seeing civilians like them - most of whom probably just want to get on with their lives - being murdered or displaced. Even if they are comforted by seeing marches and demonstrations, they may feel abandoned because the governments of the countries they live in are supporting Israel, and may continue supporting the Israeli government if it’s actions get more extreme.

So if you’re wondering whether you should reach out and check in with a friend or colleague, or asking your HR team to send out a message - do. They will probably really appreciate it.

If any Jews or Muslims or Palestinians or Israelis living in the UK would like to share some human ways we can all help and support you and show compassion during what must be an awful time, please do.

And please, keep it civil. This thread is about humans showing compassion to humans.

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Defiantjazz · 28/10/2023 16:32

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pickledandpuzzled · 28/10/2023 16:34

The increase in hate crimes against Jews and Muslims is a damning indictment of our state as a nation.

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pickledandpuzzled · 28/10/2023 16:35

Can we not do that here, @Defiantjazz ? On this thread?

A depressing third of the voters think OP is unreasonable. Sad times.

etmoietmoietmoi · 28/10/2023 16:36

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Wow - you're telling a Jewish woman who's sharing messages of solidarity in light of growing antisemitism to "grow up". You're mocking her. That, mon amie (well thankfully you're not), is antisemitism.

Defiantjazz · 28/10/2023 16:37

Can we not do that here, @Defiantjazz ? On this thread

Well I haven’t actually done anything but whatever.

Tiredalwaystired · 28/10/2023 16:37

BlurredEdges · 28/10/2023 16:07

You said he's a passionate Corbynite and a person who didn't care or listen when you, a Jewish person he knows in reality, reached out to him.

This has nothing to do with the Palestinians. Corbyn's antisemitism runs way deeper and has far older historical roots than that.

Your friend is not a decent guy. Sorry. He's a huge fan of a massive antisemite. And he doesn't give a damn about you.

Oh do fuck off. Seriously. You don’t get to be an armchair dictator about who I chose to befriend. As I have said I knew and recognised this in him from day one so it’s all on me if I choose to stay in contact. His actions disappointed me but not to the point of cutting him out of my life. I’m totally accepting that my friends have a different viewpoint to me (I know, groundbreaking right!) and we will never agree on everything. I am not trying to silence him, just walking away for a bit and I’m saddened his immediate action wasn’t to say “ok I get it”., it was “I get it, but”.

Im not one for cancel culture and I choose to see the good in him as well as the bad. It’s what grown ups should do instead of this nonsense “if you’re not with me you’re 100% against me” which is absolute bollocks.

pickledandpuzzled · 28/10/2023 16:42

You’ve been a total arse actually.

CloudyAgain · 28/10/2023 16:44

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Blurred edges is expressing a very great distress. She and the OP both are asking for a basic level of human decency - to acknowledge that things are so utterly dreadful. That people are in so much pain and that reaching out might give some comfort. The fact you cannot comfort but can only respond in a way that increases that distress- can you really not see what you are doing and saying?

BlurredEdges · 28/10/2023 16:46

Tiredalwaystired · 28/10/2023 16:37

Oh do fuck off. Seriously. You don’t get to be an armchair dictator about who I chose to befriend. As I have said I knew and recognised this in him from day one so it’s all on me if I choose to stay in contact. His actions disappointed me but not to the point of cutting him out of my life. I’m totally accepting that my friends have a different viewpoint to me (I know, groundbreaking right!) and we will never agree on everything. I am not trying to silence him, just walking away for a bit and I’m saddened his immediate action wasn’t to say “ok I get it”., it was “I get it, but”.

Im not one for cancel culture and I choose to see the good in him as well as the bad. It’s what grown ups should do instead of this nonsense “if you’re not with me you’re 100% against me” which is absolute bollocks.

Feel free to befriend him but it's not 'cancel culture' to think that antisemites can't ever really be true friends to Jews. It's not like disagreeing about vegetarianism or something. It's people rejecting something very very fundamental about you as a human being

As I think you've seen yourself from his reaction when you tried to explain how you were feeling. And how upset that made you. What you felt then, it's real and it matters.

He doesn't get it. And he responded like that because he truly doesn't care how you feel. Because you're Jewish.

I'm sorry - genuinely mean that. It's really horrible when you realise that people you thought were friends despise something quite fundamental about you, something you can't change. I lost people I thought were friends during the horrific corbyn era for the same reason.

I posted some messages of solidarity above that I've received from non-jewish friends. They don't have to be "on my side", politically, but it matters that they're not antisemitic. And that's why they genuinely care about how I feel. Whereas the man you know, doesn't care how you feel at all.

I really am sorry. It is shit.

Defiantjazz · 28/10/2023 16:48

You’ve been a total arse actually
How so?

Defiantjazz · 28/10/2023 16:53

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CherryCokeFanatic · 28/10/2023 16:55

Honestly I think keeping your snout out is best unless your Jewish or Muslim/Palestinian friend, colleague, relative etc brings up the subject

BlurredEdges · 28/10/2023 16:57

CherryCokeFanatic · 28/10/2023 16:55

Honestly I think keeping your snout out is best unless your Jewish or Muslim/Palestinian friend, colleague, relative etc brings up the subject

As I posted just above, the messages of solidarity and love I've received from non Jewish friends and colleagues (all unsolicited) have genuinely brought me back from the brink a few times over the past 3 weeks.

Defiantjazz · 28/10/2023 16:59

Sorry I went off on one Blurred.

Defiantjazz · 28/10/2023 16:59

(And that is an actual apology)

KimMumsnet · 28/10/2023 17:01

Hello, all. Please refrain from personal attacks here - it's the last thing anyone needs right now.

quantumbutterfly · 28/10/2023 17:04

Abra1t · 22/10/2023 12:52

I read about a group of Muslim
and Jewish women who were attending one another’s services to show solidarity.

We need a women’s peace march. I’m agnostic but would gladly go shoulder to shoulder with women of any faith who want to show solidarity with those suffering on both sides of the conflict.

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me too

Lamelie · 28/10/2023 17:04

CherryCokeFanatic · 28/10/2023 16:55

Honestly I think keeping your snout out is best unless your Jewish or Muslim/Palestinian friend, colleague, relative etc brings up the subject

Not my experience at all. Everyone I’ve reached out to has reacted well. It’s like bereavement. Jewish people aren’t not thinking about it, you’re not going to remind them of it. Unless you don’t want to show solidarity, in case that’s a comforting way for you to frame it.

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