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Conflict in the Middle East

To think it’s turning into genocide in real time part 2

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Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73 · 22/10/2023 08:43

First thread here but it’s full
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4918938-to-think-its-turning-into-genocide-in-real-time?page=1

Medical Aid to Palestine posted this thread on facebook describing the scenes in Gaza as being like the last days of humanity with one of their staff members having to search through piles of bodies to find his 13 year old niece https://www.facebook.com/100064712829372/posts/pfbid028yxpzimtA3apA6CSs8dEhJBd16rYUQR6QjFidEpwRCZzPVYoeJezX8nDrtZP2UZRl/?app=fbl

The main stream press aren’t really addressing the horror of what is happening (bar maybe Channel 4 news and Al Jazeera) - it’s a sanitised version.

As I said in the original thread, there has been absolute horror on both sides but the Israeli government are inflicting collective punishment on the people of Gaza, which is a war crime under international law.

I still feel we are watching genocide in real time.

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Just seen this on the news- how can this be right? It genuinely is starting to feel like genocide. What Hamas did was beyond appalling. But this i...

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mydiaryisfull · 01/11/2023 08:53

@WriterHK Attacking me doesn't win you the argument.

mydiaryisfull · 01/11/2023 08:55

@SinnerBoy "Could you just confirm which dams, tank factories and airfields are being bombed in Gaza?"

I think you know that that's just a silly post.

CosimoPiovasco · 01/11/2023 09:01

mydiaryisfull · 01/11/2023 03:55

@CosimoPiovasco "This is confirmed in the ….Times of Israel paper"

No it is not confirmed at all.

Please note the use of the word allegedly and stop spreading misinformation.

There’s a photo. There are videos, not posted here
It was in the paper
See previous posts.

mydiaryisfull · 01/11/2023 09:01

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 01/11/2023 08:01

Diary is in too deep, they won't be able to accept they are wrong now even if another 100 people came to tell them they are wrong.

To date, no-one who's opinion matters, has told me I am wrong.

In fact some agree with me.

Robert Jenrick told Sky News in an interview that "it is Hamas who is entirely to blame for this conflict," which began after the Palestinian group's surprise offensive on Oct. 7.
He said Israel must defend itself in accordance with international law, adding that one should not compare Israel to Hamas.
"We don't believe that Israel has broken international law, there is a clear right in international law for a nation to defend itself, and that's what Israel is doing," Jenrick said.

CosimoPiovasco · 01/11/2023 09:05

SinnerBoy · 01/11/2023 04:41

CosimoPiovasco · Yesterday 20:14

The rest of the story in the Times of Israel.

Well, it says that the commander has been removed from his post, so nothing to worry about.

This was just one incident on October 12th.
Other incident of the same nature was reported here by PP more recently.
IE After commander apparently removed from post.
So still going on then….

WriterHK · 01/11/2023 09:12

mydiaryisfull · 01/11/2023 08:53

@WriterHK Attacking me doesn't win you the argument.

Eh?
did you mean to quote me? I’ve not attacked you anywhere…

mydiaryisfull · 01/11/2023 10:18

WriterHK · 01/11/2023 09:12

Eh?
did you mean to quote me? I’ve not attacked you anywhere…

" I’m sure you’re a world class geologist and military strategist rolled into one, and your knowledge isn’t gleaned off of what you’ve read on social media in the last ten days."

It seems that you chose to attack someone's qualifications under the cloak of sarcasm because you don't have a decent argument. IMO that makes you rather poor at debate, if you need to resort to 'ad hominem'.

FYI Geology was my first choice at Uni. I completed one year of Geology then decided that another discipline would give me better employment opportunities.

It is well-known and well-reported that the degradation of the aquifers under Gaza has been a problem for years. If you don't choose to believe me believe me, then maybe you will believe the academics?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1464343X22003338

WriterHK · 01/11/2023 10:32

Oooh, you see that as an “attack,” do you?
eye roll.

Sippingmytea · 01/11/2023 13:50

The problem is that some posters on here don’t consider Israeli and Palestinian civilian lives to be of equal value. It makes it incredibly difficult to have any conversation about morality and ethics.

I listened to LBC radio and James was having this exact conversation with a caller. He asked if Hamas were hiding in a hospital in Tel Aviv, would the IDF carpet bomb it? The answer was no of course not. Why? Because Israeli lives matter … and that was the point James was making. Human lives aren’t considered equal.

Silence1 · 01/11/2023 14:33

The Turkish Palestinian cancer hospital, hit by Israeli fire just a day ago, has now run out of fuel Gaza's only cancer hospital goes out of service, health officials say | Reuters
The refugee camp has also been hit again. The piece on the BBC about the man who was at hospital working when his children were killed by the Israelis bombs was heartbreaking

A general view shows smoke as it rises following Israeli strikes in Gaza, October 9, 2023. REUTERS/Mohammed Salem/File Photo

Gaza's only cancer hospital goes out of service, health officials say

The only cancer treatment hospital in the Gaza Strip has gone out of service after it ran out of fuel, health officials said on Wednesday.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gazas-only-cancer-hospital-goes-out-service-health-officials-2023-11-01/

Efacsen · 01/11/2023 14:38

And there has been a second attack on Jabalia refugee camp today with further deaths

Not much verifiable information as phone and internet blackout again

Parkingt111 · 01/11/2023 14:44

Efacsen · 01/11/2023 14:38

And there has been a second attack on Jabalia refugee camp today with further deaths

Not much verifiable information as phone and internet blackout again

I saw this
Absolutely awful

Parkingt111 · 01/11/2023 14:47

Bbc have released some verified pictures
Total carnage

To think it’s turning into genocide in real time part 2
Parkingt111 · 01/11/2023 14:48

The majoroty of the world continues to turn a blind eye from the massacre of the palestinians

To think it’s turning into genocide in real time part 2
Efacsen · 01/11/2023 15:06

@Parkingt111 the victims today seem to have been people searching the rubble from yesterday, for survivors and bodies

mydiaryisfull · 01/11/2023 15:06

@Silence1 "The Turkish Palestinian cancer hospital, hit by Israeli fire just a day ago, has now run out of fuel"

And patients are now being moved to Egypt for treatment via the Rafa crossing

Efacsen · 01/11/2023 15:18

Huh?

Don't think any Forensic Pathologists in Israel have been killed today whilst quietly getting on with their distressing work

LolaSmiles · 01/11/2023 15:19

The problem is that some posters on here don’t consider Israeli and Palestinian civilian lives to be of equal value. It makes it incredibly difficult to have any conversation about morality and ethics.

I listened to LBC radio and James was having this exact conversation with a caller. He asked if Hamas were hiding in a hospital in Tel Aviv, would the IDF carpet bomb it? The answer was no of course not. Why? Because Israeli lives matter … and that was the point James was making. Human lives aren’t considered equal

I agree with you.
It is impossible to have a discussion about ethics during war with people who believe that fundamentally some innocent civilians are worth more than others.

That's what I've found quite concerning watching threads on here, how quickly it becomes clear that some posters believe that the race/religion/ethnicity of civilians affects whether it's acceptable to bomb them out of existence.

It's like there's three default responses to any criticism of the IDF:

  1. But the IDF told them to move south and they didn't move when they were told to, what are Israel meant to do?
  2. But it was Hamas' fault really for being in densely populated areas, something something human shields.
  3. But civilians are often collateral damage, there's no way to not kill some civilians, it's a war at the end of the day, the IDF haven't got any choice, what are they meant to do, wait until Hamas wipes the whole state of Israel out?

It always overlooks the reality of Gazan infrastructure, the high population density, the decades of issues affecting the people in Gaza, the difficulty for some people relocating during a war, the impossibility of moving during a war, the collective punishment regarding water, food, fuel, blockades on aid etc

Silence1 · 01/11/2023 15:33

@mydiaryisfull that report is awful. Those poor people. I read their texts calling for help for hours. Words don't cover it.
What a shame the Israeli Govt and army didn't do a better job of protecting them. A bit like Hamas they seem good at killing, not so good at saving lives or protecting civilians

Fairtobefairohhhhhc · 01/11/2023 17:29

I'm getting many posts like this now. Absolutely awful. Generations wiped out.

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Silence1 · 01/11/2023 18:37

@Fairtobefairohhhhhc I cant watch it unfortunately but it did lead me on a trail. I learnt about Tantura now a holiday resort boasting about one of Israel's best beaches with potentially a mass grave under the car park.

Weddingpuzzle · 01/11/2023 19:19

My friend sent me this, but couldn't confirm the source so I just dismissed it.

To think it’s turning into genocide in real time part 2
Weddingpuzzle · 01/11/2023 19:20

But this doesn't seem to debunk anything. 2 days ago...

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