To think it’s turning into genocide in real time part 2

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First thread here but it’s full
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4918938-to-think-its-turning-into-genocide-in-real-time?page=1

Medical Aid to Palestine posted this thread on facebook describing the scenes in Gaza as being like the last days of humanity with one of their staff members having to search through piles of bodies to find his 13 year old niece https://www.facebook.com/100064712829372/posts/pfbid028yxpzimtA3apA6CSs8dEhJBd16rYUQR6QjFidEpwRCZzPVYoeJezX8nDrtZP2UZRl/?app=fbl

The main stream press aren’t really addressing the horror of what is happening (bar maybe Channel 4 news and Al Jazeera) - it’s a sanitised version.

As I said in the original thread, there has been absolute horror on both sides but the Israeli government are inflicting collective punishment on the people of Gaza, which is a war crime under international law.

I still feel we are watching genocide in real time.

But it’s the current atrocities in Gaza that the Western governments are “supporting”. Even though many of the populations don’t agree and in private I suspect that many of the officials don’t agree either. So it’s important that people keep speaking out in the (admittedly small but not negligible) likelihood that it may make a difference.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cy_O8YdJGp6/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Please watch this. There's a lot of truth in here.

@Desertrose2023 "and if you’re so concerned with what’s happening to Christians, perhaps advocate for Israel to stop bombing their churches."

The Israelis didn't 'bomb the church' - if you read the article they bombed near to the church and "the blast resulted in the collapse of a building near to the church".

That priest won't dare criticise Hamas, so I wouldn't set too much store by what he says.

I'm more concerned about the plight of Christians in Pakistan which seems to get brushed under the carpet.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/16/asia/pakistan-punjab-churches-vandalized-blasphemy-intl/index.html

@Ohlalalalala "Do you want to minimise the genocide that's going on right now in Palestine? "

I'm just pointing out people's selective sympathies on this board.

I'm sorry that doesn't fit with your mindset.

The hannibal Directive was used by Israel on Oct 7th. Its all coming out now.

https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/hannibal-directive-did-israel-kill-its-own-15574953

So basically. Hostages where taken by hamas. They would have negotiated their release. But instead israeli soldiers implemented hannibal directive and chose to kill hamas and hostages together instead of trying to get the hostages back.

1, how cowardly
2, Israel doesn't care about their own.citizens being hostage.

They then make up stories about their women and children to cover the fact they did the damage.

@Fairtobefairohhhhhc 2, "Israel doesn't care about their own.citizens being hostage."

Hamas uses its own citizens as 'human shields' oh the irony !

Have you actually read the article? @mydiaryisfull or just cherry picked things I have said?

Israel also used their citizens as human shields. Oh the irony

@Sippingmytea same here with the folks I know offline. That's every race, religion, political persuasion.

The only people that I "know" that support this disproportionate response are the kind of people who actively dislike "brown" people, the sort that complain about boat people etc.

@Fairtobefairohhhhhc "An eye-opening article however, published by Mondoweiss has thrown into question how responsible Hamas is for the Israeli deaths. Authored by someone who decided to remain anonymous to avoid reprisal, the piece specifically points to how it was not Hamas necessarily behind them."

An eye-opening article by someone who choose to remain anonymous - yeah right, very reliable.
And I have bridge I can sell you 🙄

That's just one article @mydiaryisfull would you like me to gather more for you?

@Ohlalalalala "You haven't once showed sympathy for the thousands of Palestinian babies and children being murdered before the whole world by the neo Nazis."

Oh dear, oh dearie me,

"Murdered" "Neo-nazis",

Why stop there? - throw in "ethnic cleansing" "genocide" and "apartheid state" and you'll have a full house 🙄

@mydiaryisfull thank goodness your diary is full... you won't be able to carry on writing drivel

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-art-of-deception-how-israel-uses-hasbara-to-whitewash-its-crimes-46775

And this article is 2 years old! Now is even worse!!!

"Under the guise of neutrality, media discourse has been to describe the conflict flaring up in occupied East Jerusalem as “clashes” between “both sides”. Israel’s ruthless bombardment of Gaza leading to the deaths of hundreds of civilians is rationalised as an act of “self defence” in response to Hamas’ indiscriminate rocket attacks and their use of “human shields”.

The Israeli state is deeply aware that perception shapes reality. While it commits alleged war crimes with impunity, it can only do so if there is a powerful enough propaganda machine it can deploy to counter inevitable public condemnation and international solidarity with Palestinians.
...

The weaponisation of social justice issues and appropriation of ‘woke’ language is another frequently adopted strategy. For example the narrative of how Israel is the “only democracy” in the Middle East is repeated ad infinitum; indicating its the lone country which respects human rights and the rule of law in an otherwise regressive and hostile region."

@mydiaryisfull did you get a scholarship from there?

This thread is about current things happening in Gaza though - the red herring fallacy to other atrocities around the world isn't relevant at all.

This is why I'm asking what the long term plan is for the day after the war has ended - it's important to know what the plan is to make an assessment of intentionality.

Currently the plan seems to revenge on all of Gaza, not only the destruction of Hamas but the destruction of Gaza and the people in it? The membership of Hamas is estimated to be 20-25,000 maximum - why is Israel seeing 2 million plus people (50% under 18) as collateral damage? Even if Hamas sees them as human shields, Israel has a responsibility to ensure they are not collateral damage. Israel are aggressors because of politics, territory and religion. Hamas are aggressors because of politics, territory and religion. Those people are not party to it. Why is the war going to be, according to Netanyahu 'long and difficult'? To get rid of 25k terrorists? Why does it need to 'get worse before it gets better'? If escalation means aggression towards funding and supporting Hamas, who as far as I can see are Iran and Russia, what's the plan there? Who gave Israel permission to white knight the world? US? The West?

This conflict isn't helping the safety of anyone. Hamas have 100% responsibility for opening the can of worms to empower antisemitism around the world - there is a hotel in Russia with a sign saying 'Israelis are not welcome - that means Jews' - that absolutely is on Hamas. However, Israel isn't trying to put the lid back on that can of worms in any way shape or form, it's not even bothered about it's hostages, there seems to be no movement towards peace at all but an escalation of a situation that threatens world stability - if we have another war there is going to be a continued loss of civilians, the world markets are already showing signs of nerves, oil will increase next year, interest rates will rise, inflation will increase and a world recession is possible. Countries need to show a responsibility when retaliating against terrorists, when escalation has wider consequences.

@Ohlalalalala "did you get a scholarship from there?"

My education is none of your business.

@Weddingpuzzle "This thread is about current things happening in Gaza though - the red herring fallacy to other atrocities around the world isn't relevant at all."

Iran is funding both Hamas and the War in Yemen - I think it's very relevant.

It's a very big problem.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/econographics/global-sanctions-dashboard-how-iran-evades-sanctions-and-finances-terrorist-organizations-like-hamas/

I’ve wondered an awful lot about false flag operations.

@Weddingpuzzle "This is why I'm asking what the long term plan is for the day after the war has ended - it's important to know what the plan is to make an assessment of intentionality."

With all due respect, I think that's rather a silly question because no-one involved in this conflict will give you, me or anyone else without very high security clearance an answer..

@mydiaryisfull With all due respect, I think that's rather a silly question because no-one involved in this conflict will give you, me or anyone else without very high security clearance an answer

I agree with you on that one

Time will tell if it’s a land grab.

@Weddingpuzzle "Countries need to show a responsibility when retaliating against terrorists, when escalation has wider consequences."

I think "show responsibility" means about the same as "proportionate response" and that's rather subjective, depending on who you ask....

Just seen the video of the car literally trying to get away from the tank and it was just blown up

@Coughingdodger Israel gave up the Gaza strip in 2005, they don't want it back !