What does 'ceasing responsibility for life' mean?

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I'm sorry for the DM link. I want to know what is meant by Israel 'ceasing responsibility for life' means though. I don't understand.

I'm not engaging with someone who blames a country for being occupied. I live in a country that was occupied, we freed ourselves from oppression and 100years later are thriving far more than our occupiers, with a GDP per capita of more than twice theirs. Countries cannot thrive under occupation. Free Palestine from occupation, come back to me in 100 years and we will see how it went for them.

Smug gloating over the plight of the Palestinians who were displaced and forced out and then had the audacity to fight back. Bullies often go crying to the teacher though. It's a well trodden strategy.

And I’m not sure how the meaning of “ceasing Israel’s responsibility for life in the Gaza strip” isn’t clear?

Ah, the Republic of Ireland. That's not really how it went, but hey! And the GDP is so skewed by US multinational corporations that the Irish Government doesn't use that. See Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences 2008 winner.

You know as well as I do that the Anglo-Irish Treaty was accepted by Michael Collins and Sinn Féin. And that the British Government backed Collins' Pro-Treaty IRA against Anti-Treaty IRA too. Dominion status until 1949 when the Free State became a Republic.

A very different situation to that of the Palestinian leadership who rejected every single possible deal. In 2011, Abbas admitted that it was a mistake to reject the 1947 deal.

Very different situation.

Is Hamas slaughtering and torturing 1400 innocent people and injuring 5000 more in one day part of the Palestinians having “the audacity to fight back”?

I'm deffo not engaging with you on the topic of Ireland. You have consistently posted for years and years on this issue. Still hung up about it, taking any opportunity you can get to slag Ireland off. We've moved on down here in the Republic I suggest you find a way to move on too.

Is the IDF slaughtering and torturing thousands of Palestinians since 1948 fighting back against them objecting to having their homes taken?

YOU brought the island of Ireland along with resulting partition of it into Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland as a way to compare with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Not me! 🙈

So, of course you're not going to engage.

Like I said, the two situations were and are very different.

Years and years?! Nope, I've not been on Mumsnet for "years and years!" 🤣

Who, me?

I'm probably of the same religious background as the PP you quoted - Catholic. Definitely not a colonialist by any means.

But whatever floats your boat. 🤷‍♂️

"Empire"?! 🤣

You didn’t answer my question. Yours doesn’t make any sense.
Is Hamas slaughtering and torturing 1400 innocent people and injuring 5000 more in one day part of the Palestinians having “the audacity to fight back”?

Of course you have been here for multiple years. When I posted what I did I said to my dh who is sat beside me 'this one DownNative isn't going to be able to resist trying to stick a needle in some how' and surprise, surprise up you popped as predictable as rain in Galway. I've seen your posts, I know how you feel about Ireland, why you feel that way is something you should work out with a qualified professional. I'm not derailing the thread any further.

Sure, Jan(!)

I've been here about 18 months ish. 🙈

Again, like I said the situation with the Island of Ireland is very, very different to the Israeli-Palestinian situation. YOU brought it up in this thread, not me.

Half decent attempt at deflecting though.

BBC have dropped using the word militants. They will now describes the group as a proscribed terrorist organisation by the UK Government or others, or simply as Hamas

Something to do with losing thousands of licence payers this week apparently and a large number of their own staff have been complaining too.

The still won't call Hamas terrorists for the rest they stated before. Which me is a load of poop reason. However I do feel that if they called Hamas terrorists it could endanger BBC employees in West bank and many other countries. So probably best they don't at the moment.

I'm not blaming anyone.

I'm just asking if you think the Palestinian strategy (or tactics, if you prefer) that they have employed, since the demise of the Ottoman Empire more than 100 years ago, has been wise.

How has it worked out for them so far?

Haven’t RTFT. I don’t think Israel is referring to the humanitarian relief being let through during this crisis, they’re referring to how people in the Gaza Strip have accessed energy and supplies over recent years.

Before this current conflict, Israel supplied Gaza with energy (electricity, also diesel, I think) clean water, and monitored imports into the territory.

If they won’t do this going forward, Gaza will have a huge energy crisis, water shortage, and I suppose all imports will have to come through Egypt. It’s going to be catastrophic for the 2.2 million residents.

Well as several Arab leaders have said Palestinians are Jordanians. Then talked about the Arab cause or Palestinian cause over the years. Plus Arafat named them Palestinians to further the cause he said. I would say it is working out fine for them . Arafat said the conflict would last generations so that box is ticked.

It was bringing to get to peaceful for Hamas, Syria and Iran lately. More Gazans where travelling to and from Israel for work. The PO in the west bank were working with Israel a bit more to keep peace. Saudi Arabia were making friends with Israel and several other states had already signed up for that
So the cause was looking a bit in danger. Hamas was looking like they were redundant etc

Now after poking the bear in the most sickening way possible all is back on track for the cause. The extremists and their supporters don't care that citizens are dieing it is just about the cause and making sure they eventually long term destroy Israel. So you ask how it is working for them. I think they would say great at the moment. Just what they wanted.

it is just about ... making sure they eventually long term destroy Israel

I think you're correct that that's the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. But how's the journey going?

Is nobody on the Palestinan side going to say "this isn't working for us"?

Whether that would work long term would I think depend on whether they dug tunnels under that tent city to try to kill Jews.

It's not a mystery at all. The real mystery is that the Palestinians think it's a mystery they have so little infrastructure left.

And soon they're going to have a lot less than they have, even now.

I had to make a phonecall to PANDAS because I am struggling so much to deal with the knowledge that babies and children are going through this... All the whole feeling utterly blessed that my 6 month old was born to me and is living the life she has.

Would love advice if anyone has it, on how not to crumble at hearing the news or dealing with this knowledge.

On the subject of the mystery of it all - here's an example:
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-67176203

"Gaza: Why are you bombing us and ruining our lives?" the video is subtitled. It's a mystery, is it? Really?

Say what you want about the Israelis, but nobody in Israel is in the slightest doubt why Hamas attacked Jews on 7 October.