To think Hamas have given Israel the excuse they were looking for?

[MistyMooPup]

Not all of Israel. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he will obliterate Hamas. But undoubtedly hundred if not thousands of civilians will now be killed.

I’m not sure what Hamas thought the end game if this would be? What have the Iranians convinced them of? This was a sophisticated operation, outside help was given for definite.

I’m not sure it’s possible to rationalise with dehumanised terrorists, neither am I sure what the end game will be, but I just can’t understand what Hamas expected if not a total war/strikes from Israel in retaliation.

This 100%

@dimsumfatsum
Guess it's ok to obliterate all Israelis then.

"Unleash the Dogs of War" - because war is an abomination and atrocities will happen as a by-product of War itself.

As one of my GPs, a Gordon Highlander who'd survived the WW1 trenches, told my sister when she asked if it was true that "the Germans cut off dead soldier's fingers to get their rings?".

"Lassie, it was nae jes the Germans who did that".

You’d decapitate babies? Seriously sick. You have a real problem if you could imagine yourself doing that.

I was sympathetic wirh Palestinian people but not anymore since ive seen videos of them celebrating in gaza the Killing and kidnapping of children and other innocent people...
hamas ara animals. Killing 40 babies/children when they are sleeping? That's not a war is a masacre. Killing young people who is dancing in a music festival for peace? Same, there is no excuse. I feel disgusted reading some comments... how easy is for people to victim blame when the dead is a jew and not,I'm not jew.

Oh dear Dibbly, that's not at all what I said - if I was to imagine being in that scenario I'd probably have killed myself or escaped from War instead.

WWYD, prior to the reliance on decapitating babies to get people's attention, which it certainly has done, due to the horror of it; or moreso WWYHaveDoneInstead (WWYHDI).

I can see both sides, but I still do not understand why Israelis and the Western World can condone for so long the suppression of a native population based on merely a religious belief written in a book, just like the beliefs of most religions.

If it ain't religion, what other reason can the peaceful world have for being so hand in glove with an oppressive state?

You are reprehensible. Vile.

@TheHateIsNotGood oh come on you're takes are terrible

Decapitating babies to get attention? Most people never get to that level because they're not raging psychos. Committing brutal infanticide, rape, murder and inflicting terror none of us can image on innocents - because you live in a ghetto and feel 'lesser'?

There is no seeing both sides here

Um, what reality do you people live in? Israel left the Gaza Strip in 2005 and uprooted the settlements there. I know some of the people who lived in those settlements, and absolutely nobody is talking about going back. Also, I assume you're using "Israel" as a euphemism for "Jewish" since about 20% of the Israeli population is Palestinian citizens of Israel (Palestinians inside Israel, not in the West Bank or Gaza). I'm Jewish-Israeli and my line manager is Palestinian, my dentist is Palestinian, so is the pharmacist, the assistant at my 3 year old's preschool and a number of my friends with whom I've spent the last day writing "are you ok" messages... Yes, there are inequalities and yes, coexistence is not perfect, but we live together, and only the most extreme politicians (like the equivalent of the British BNP) talk about some kind of population transfer.

Of course you will hear extreme voices on the news right now. This conflict is part of a regional power game, and the war of words is part of that. Every party is trying to scare the others into making concessions, trying to garner international support etc.

It's really extraordinary how some people on here seem to know what "Israel" wants, and assume some kind of nefarious genocidal agenda based on propaganda talking points, without ever having spoken to actual Israelis, read the Hebrew media etc, heard the complex voices of those actually involved in this conflict. Ditto for Palestinians.

I don't think Israel supported the dhimmitude of the native Jews? That would make no sense, it's one of the reasons they wanted their own state after all. I doubt the western world much cared about it either. It took them long enough to get their own people back from the Barbary states.

I think you need to read back what you actually said. No one decapitates babies to get attention. They do it because they are evil. You say that you can see both sides but it’s clear from your posts that you do not.

@saffronsoup you might actually be the dumbest, most uneducated person I’ve ever encountered on Mumsnet, and that’s really saying something.

JFC Hamas don’t want to “Free Palestine”. Right now they are delighted with things as they are: they're billionaire monsters manipulating all media coverage coming from out of the Gaza Strip, starving their own people and inciting violence with Israel (which they know will lead to more Palestinian deaths) while they sit in their mansions in Qatar. They’re not interested in giving ordinary Palestinians their freedom, capeesh?

For them, Free Palestine is just a proxy for Jew hate.

What is scary to me is the open anti-Semitic behavior in the U.K., both on the streets and social media. I'm including people working for the NHS here. How are Jews supposed to feel with this sort of hatred? Israel is our ally. I know we will stand with them, but people celebrating or taunting based in the U.K.? No way. That kind of crap should be see for what it is; hatred.

Can anyone explain why more countries aren't offering asylum to the Gazans/ Palestinians?

RIght? The fact people like this are literally saying there are excuses for decapitating babies and child murder is just....stunningly disgusting and vile. And evil. Evil men who are murdering. And evil, evil people who are excusing it. Shame on you. What kind of a black, disgusting soul must someone have to excuse the murder of children? Babies being decapitated..."well, they deserved it", is what these excusers are saying.

You know what the nazis used to do? Take the babies and infants off the mothers who were stepping off the trains, waiting to be gassed, and they would take them by their little legs and swing them, bashing their heads open, over and over onto the side of the trains. What's Hamas doing? Taking the babies and infants and children from their parents and decapitating them. Shooting them as they run.

It's the same evil. The same evil men committing the same evil acts, just decades apart. And there are still evil, vile people supporting it.

It’s sickening.

I’d like to see all those twats celebrating the brutal murder of infants kicked out of the UK and shipped off to Gaza, where they can help out if they love the idea of it so much, and enjoy the bombs while they are there.

They shouldn’t get to enjoy the perks of civilised society while still cheering for barbaric monsters.

And this is the thread that makes me realise I should have left Mumsnet a long long time ago. At a time of so much murder, beheadings, kidnappings, women being raped then murdered, babies being killed... all the world is talking about is "those poor innocent... blah blah blah". What if the same thing happened in the UK, or France, or Australia, or any other country?!? The world would be going bananas, but no in Isreal they are all asking for it.

Apparently Hamas have engaged in terrorism against the Egyptians which is why they restrict access from Gaza. I don't know why Hamas did that. There are probably other reasons.

It’s not some kind of twisted competition. It goes without saying that the slaughter of the children on the kibbutz is beyond barbaric. Palestinian children have also been killed - remember the 4 Bakr cousins on the beach in 2014? It’s no use trying to say one particular atrocity trumps every previous atrocity. People, on both sides, have very long memories, which are not to be erased, as though the events never happened. All of them did, and all of them are hideous.

I am beyond angry about the people
on this thread condoning the evil behaviour and the people openly celebrating it on our streets. This should not be happening in a civilised country. My blood is literally boiling.

It's not a competition at all, it's horrific for all. But being kept in custody versus having your child killed in front of you? In that specific example, I think it's silly to claim that they're of equal standing.

I am currently engaged in a whatsapp conversation with a friend who sent me a reel about how only now the media is paying attention and that the atrocities in Palestine have been ignored. I don’t believe this is the case at all?

I agree - I’ve only read the first couple of pages but this thread is sickening. Why are you allowing it to stand @MNHQ?

@Time4TERF because Egypt don’t want to import Islamic extremists and when Jordan offered asylum to Palestinian refugees they tried to overthrow the country.