To think Hamas have given Israel the excuse they were looking for?

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Not all of Israel. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he will obliterate Hamas. But undoubtedly hundred if not thousands of civilians will now be killed.

I’m not sure what Hamas thought the end game if this would be? What have the Iranians convinced them of? This was a sophisticated operation, outside help was given for definite.

I’m not sure it’s possible to rationalise with dehumanised terrorists, neither am I sure what the end game will be, but I just can’t understand what Hamas expected if not a total war/strikes from Israel in retaliation.

@AbsoluteYawns No Israeli kids dancing on graves but plenty of Palestinians celebrating on 9/11

I've just seen on the news that the Qatar PM has stated "It is our priority to stop the war"

Whether or not this is just a soundbite remains to be seen.

And Israelis were watching gaza being bombed while cheering and eating popcorn on a hilltop back in 2014. What's your point?

There are despicable people from all walks of life. It’s not tit for tat.

Yup. That was my point exactly.

So where are the Israeli kids dancing on graves??

Please watch the Son of Hamas on you tube.

Still no condemnation on all the other Hamas atrocities?

What an Earth are you demanding each time you post this.

Hamas brutality happened. People suffered greatly.

I'm sorry, but are you denying that Hamas committed atrocities? They brutally raped, tortured, murdered and burned people alive. And that's ok with you? I'm lost for words.

Or Jewish people laughing and jeering at the deaths of Muslims in the streets? There aren't any. There's only one religious group right now dancing in the streets, gloryfying and laughing at death and murder and it isn't the Jews.

@beachcitygirl "I also unequivocally condemn the war crimes being carried out right now by Israel"

Are you a specialist in International Law?

FYI

What counts as a war crime includes serious violations of international law or customs committed against civilians and/or certain combatants in armed conflict, according to the UN

No single international law, document or treaty codifies all war crimes. The rules of war have been changed and expanded since the Geneva Convention was significantly updated following World War II.

Examples of war crimes include intentionally targeting civilian populations, torture, taking hostages, rape and other sexual violence, enlisting or conscripting children, and intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art and other cultural aspects of society.

( So it looks like HAMAS ticks most of the boxes )

War crimes contain two primary elements: a violation that took place during an armed conflict, and "intent and knowledge" of the act and conflict, according to the UN.

You have to first establish that there was no military target nearby, and if there was, the force was disproportionately used, and then you have to prove that it was intentional.

The main challenge in prosecuting war crimes is usually determining who is responsible, This becomes especially hard when trying to hold high-profile leaders accountable, as they're often not at the scene of an alleged violation.

HTH

100% agree with this. My skin crawls when I read of Hamas apologists on here, trying in their skewed thinking to actually justify the atrocities carried out by this group, who have the backing of the Palestinians it seems. Israel should get rid of Hamas by bombing them all til there are none left. And if the Palestinians are deluded enough to think this mob of savages is actually acting in their best interests, and are blindly following the instructions of a group who honestly couldn’t give a toss about their well-being, then we cannot help them.

@Bettyboopsbonnet collective punishment is a war crime.

HTH

No it doesn't.

@Bettyboopsbonnet sorry I can't understand your grammar.

An eye for an eye makes the world go blind.

What a shame that the Israeli government & some people on this thread seem so hell bent on revenge against innocent civilians to the point they will tie themselves up like a pretzel to excuse the shutting off of water, food & electricity (including that supplying hospitals and incubators) to justify the actions of an Israeli government

• the defence minister of whom called Palestinians "human animals"

There is literally nothing you would not excuse is there?

Hamas are terrorists. They committed atrocities. Appalling, evil atrocities. What exactly do you think the Israelis should do? Sit there waiting for them to come back? Allow them to continue raining rockets down on civilians in Israel? They had no choice, and Hamas knew that, and every civilian killed is because of what Hamas ignited. Hamas are responsible for what's happening in Gaza. It's not "an eye for an eye" , it's about the literal survival of Israel against the existential threat of genocidal terrorists.

Yes, it would help if people suggest what options Israel has.

@soddingspiderseason what they should do should exactly is act in a proportionate way. They seem incapable of it, this government, anyway.

Please do explain what is proportionate