To think Hamas have given Israel the excuse they were looking for?

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Not all of Israel. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he will obliterate Hamas. But undoubtedly hundred if not thousands of civilians will now be killed.

I’m not sure what Hamas thought the end game if this would be? What have the Iranians convinced them of? This was a sophisticated operation, outside help was given for definite.

I’m not sure it’s possible to rationalise with dehumanised terrorists, neither am I sure what the end game will be, but I just can’t understand what Hamas expected if not a total war/strikes from Israel in retaliation.

I agree - there can be no justification for Hamas’ actions.

But what I definitely wouldn’t do, is cut off water to anywhere where there are innocent children living. Or the UN with medical supplies. What is the purpose of that?

@Bex5490 well I’ve never said that I support that. I mentioned civilians being killed in crossfire which is a dreadful aspect of war.

What is the purpose of that?

To try and force the return of the hostages. Please note I'm not justifying it.

If the hostages are released then humanitarian aid will be allowed.
What part of that don't you get?

I think the point is that for a lot of people (including myself) just ‘not supporting’ doesn’t feel strong enough as it is basically murdering children. Cutting off a water supply and not letting medical supplies in is pretty much purposely leaving innocent children to die at the hands of your bombs whether they are meant for Hamas or not. I actively condemn that.

Just like I actively condemn the actions of Hamas. Their actions are barbaric. I think on the other side that’s why it is so offensive when people talk about Hamas with this tone like they ‘don’t support their actions’ rather than being completely against them.

But like everyone agrees, Hamas are barbaric terrorists who don’t care about civilians so they’re not going to give them up for civilians they don’t care about.

So like for like then? Some of your innocent kids for some of mine?

@Bex5490 "But cutting off water, electric, humanitarian aid from the UN and an escape route from the bombs for children and babies isn’t just killed in the crossfire is it?"

No water and electricity isn't Israel's fault - that's down to Hamas mis-management.

Egypt has shut the Rafa crossing point, not Israel.

I don't recall the UN complaining that Humanitarian Aid couldn't get through. Link please.

Unfortunately I don’t think everyone agrees that they are. We’ve had open celebrations of the Hamas attack in many countries and, as I said above, people on this and other threads immediately responding to a comment about the evils of Hamas with “well Israel did this” as of it somehow justifies Hamas’ behaviour. Whether they mean it or not, that implies that they support Hamas.

How can it be Hamas’ mismanagement if Israel has the power to cut it off?

Another two photographs released by Israel show the blackened and charred bodies of two babies who were murdered by the Hamas gunmen when they stormed their homes in southern Israel. Their bodies are so disfigured it's impossible to make out where their arms and legs would have been.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12623843/Israel-releases-images-babies-murdered-burned-Hamas-verified-photos-beheaded-terrorists-confirmed-local-media-IDF-drops-Gaza-leaflets-telling-citizens-flee.html

It's not that simple though is it? Israel don't allow water to be transported from the West Bank to Gaza. Israel controls water in the West Bank, even controlling the collection of rainwater. Rainwater?! Imagine that? Israel controls the flow of building materials into Gaza. It really isn't as simple as you are making out, if it weren't for Hamas they would flourish. Israel controls them at every turn, they make life as difficult as possible.

https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1712460425529372821

It's the Jerusalem Post so there might be accusations of bias but they are also confirming.

She is saying they just tried harder they would have their own water supply. If they could just magic all of the materials and knowledge to build a desalination plant(because Israel have control every source of drinkable water, which is very handy for them, not so handy for Palestinians), they wouldn't have to rely on Israel to dish out the paltry supplies of water that they do. Ignoring the fact that Israel would just bomb any infrastructure anyway.

Why haven't they got their own water and electricity supplies?

Solar power &, wind power are readily available in that area

As I said before if they choose to use foreign aid to buy arms why can't they use it for building generators, desalination plants, wind turbines etc?

You really don’t see that Israel has any part to play in the fact that Gaza and the West Bank haven’t been able to build infrastructure?

Why are people posting pictures of dead babies? There are dead babies on both sides. It isn't a photo competition. Israeli or Palestinian makes no difference to human suffering. Isreali parents and babies being killed don't feel more pain than Palestinian parents and babies being killed

It’s all a mess I would imagine each side goad each other in one way or another. I don’t know what the answer is but the countries in that region of the world are volatile and I’m never surprised when these things make UK broadcast. Just another thorn in the worlds side. I hate war.

Why are people posting pictures of dead babies?

Why indeed!! Do posters have no imagination and need to see it for themselves?

Or just morbid curiosity?

The Jerusalem Post can now confirm based on verified photos of the bodies that the reports of babies being burnt and decapitated in Hamas's assault on Kfar Aza are correct. May their memory be a blessing.
https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1712460425529372821

I hope they can now save the hostages although they will probably never recover from this particular trauma.

I also hope people will show ordinary Jews and Palestinians in their communities, at school, at work, in their neighbourhood kindness and support.

I further hope that deranged Hamas supporters will not celebrate these perverted atrocities with their brothers and sisters or hand celebratory sweets to brainwash their unsuspecting innocent children.

It’s actually quite disrespectful to the families. The thought of someone sending around pictures of my children like that to make a point on some forum is vile.

Yet they can manage to access weapons ??

Absolutely

Whilst these babies parents and siblings didn't survive the massacre - grandparents, aunts/uncles and cousins deserve respect. None of this furore can be helping them in their grief

Because it’s very uncomfortable for those espousing views remarkably similar to antisemitism to see the truth?

The amount of people trying to claim that most Palestinians are innocent, or that hamas are freedom fighters just fighting for the right to survive is sickening.

The PR machine for hamas was in full force once they realised their sick barbarism had resulted in even the most sympathetic of countries deciding to stop sending them money. They (and their sick supporters) have been desperately been trying to claim that they didn’t really behead babies, or rape very young girls, or beat toddlers to death…despite the stupid fucks uploading it to social media themselves.

If my baby had been raped, beheaded or beaten to death, and the people responsible and some liberal idiots half the world over were trying to deny it, I’d want that picture everywhere, staring them right in the face.

Their families have been brutally slaughtered too. In any case the images are pixelated to protect identities and the dignity of the dead but the images have been independently verified. Many victims cannot visually be identified as they have been maimed and burnt. It's understandable that Hamas supporters don't want the world to see evidence of their evil actions as it will have a measurable impact on the money they can raise. The fact that there is evidence of the inhumane and barbaric deeds of this terror group is already playing against them.

Up to now hamas has used pictures of injured or dead children, some fake, as a trusted propaganda strategy. They know very well the effect such images have on public sympathy and support. They really didn't think this through.