To think Hamas have given Israel the excuse they were looking for?

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Not all of Israel. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he will obliterate Hamas. But undoubtedly hundred if not thousands of civilians will now be killed.

I’m not sure what Hamas thought the end game if this would be? What have the Iranians convinced them of? This was a sophisticated operation, outside help was given for definite.

I’m not sure it’s possible to rationalise with dehumanised terrorists, neither am I sure what the end game will be, but I just can’t understand what Hamas expected if not a total war/strikes from Israel in retaliation.

This is as bad and naive as those who spout guff that "if I lived in Northern Ireland, I'd have supported PIRA!" as well!

No. Terrorists never do get total support from the local population. As NATO Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence states "Local Gazans are not necessarily ideologically linked with Hamas" whilst acknowledging the sad reality that "children are raised to revile the enemy, e.g. Israel".

The support expressed for Hamas is not meaningless nor excused by attempting stay alive.

Civilians can survive without being ideologically linked with a terrorist group for they cannot murder most or all their local population. Fear and coercion can be enough.

Like I said and proved, a minority of Gazans do NOT support Hamas. They show you don't need to do that to survive.

In any case, it is Hamas who have just massively increased the risk of death for all Gazan Palestinians. So much for staying alive by supporting them!

You really haven't thought your comment through. I suspect you have no direct real life experiences of your own vis a vis living in a society where terrorism is a reality....

Here we go again with the victim blaming.
What do you think the UK would do if a 1000 of their citizens were killed by armed terrorists roaming the streets, women were raped, mutilated and paraded naked, babies were beheaded and families were burnt alive? What do you think any nation would do?
What did the USA do when 9/11 happened? Didn't they bomb the daylights out of Iraq and the UK joined in?
Any nation would unleash fury if what happened to Israel happened to them. No conspiracy theory is needed to understand Israel's reaction.

BBC are reporting worldwide anti Israel demonstrations in support of the massacres that were committed in the name of Free Palestine.

It's completely chilling that sympathisers of such depraved terror live among us. These people are cheering the cold blooded slaughter of entire villages. They're fanatics.

Exactly. People can somehow understand Palestine's motives (land, poverty etc) but cannot even stretch their minds to grasp why Israel might be pissed off.

There are protests everywhere, how much more condemnation can there be? Multiple countries have condemned the air strikes.

But the reality is also, there are Israeli children in that exact same state, torn from their mothers are murdered. We simply haven't seen photos of them.

What?

There are plenty of black Palestiniens of African descent if that's what you mean.

There are people in this country (and other Western liberal democracies) celebrating the attack by Hamas. I find that completely and utterly sick, worse than Hamas themselves. And whenever posters on this site express horror at what Hamas did there are plenty of people saying “well Israel did this……” without even acknowledging the Hamas atrocity. That really does look like anti-semitism to me as a non-Jewish person. I even read earlier a post that said Jewish people should stop going on about the Holocaust. WTF. Imagine if a black person was told that they should stop talking about slavery.

I have find it just as sickening that people support the Israel response

As long as it's consistent, that's fine. Both actions have been deeply unpleasant for civilians caught up.

Anyone celebrating is troubled.

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Well my message was deleted for simply stating that. No I am far from anti-semitic - I don't know how you could even perceive that. I have traveled to I Israel/Palestine and would go back again it was safe to go

How? Do you have two passports or is my understanding that if you enter one of the countries, you won’t be allowed into the other wrong?

It's all very sad

is there a reason why you - who seem to be quite informed - choose to spell antisemitic with a hyphen?

I have no idea how the meaning of antisemitism and anti-semetic differ

https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/antisemitism/spelling-antisemitism

https://www.adl.org/spelling-antisemitism-vs-anti-semitism

https://www.timesofisrael.com/whats-in-a-hyphen-why-writing-anti-semitism-with-a-dash-distorts-its-meaning/amp/

and a more critical take:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/anti-semitism-new-york-times-style/620966/

Thank you

Israel will allow humanitarian aid in when their hostages are released.
Let's see how much the government care about their people (while they're safe in their underground tunnels).

If I lived in Gaza, I'd bloody well support Hamas too. And so would anyone with common sense. "Supporting" violent thugs is the way to stay alive.

Unfortunately though that hasn't proved to be the case. Supporting Hamas has seen Gaza blockaded and bombed, so has been the opposite of a way to stay alive.

Thank you for the links you posted below. I can re-assure you I mean the same thing. Are you jewish? @PumpkinsAndCoconuts

When you enter Israel you can choose not to have your passport stamped as you wouldn't be allowed into muslim countries - sadly.
There were tours which take people into Palestine - particularly if you are on a Christian pilgrimage. Most people go to Palestine to see Bethlehem and the churches at the site where Jesus was born. You can go from Israel, cross the boarder with a tour guide into Palestine. There were soldiers there and seemed safe at the time. Lots of tourists.

Thank you for taking the time to clarify.

I spent quite a while wondering how to answer your question (in a manner that I feel comfortable with, feels appropriate for this thread etc).
Only to realise that I do not want to answer it.

I wouldn´t ask you or other posters on this thread about their ethnicity (or religion). And I can´t help but wonder why you felt like it was relevant in my case.

Indiscriminate bombing of Gaza is only going to radicalise more people.

People who dance on the streets with their friends celebrating the cold blooded murder of defenceless people, no matter their religion or citizenship are disturbed and fanatic. They have lost a part of their humanity and are driven by hate and ignorance.

I haven't seen any reports of people celebrating what the Israelis are doing to defend their country and save the 150 hostages, many of whom are young children that have been separated from their parents. Mostly demonstrations supporting Gazans. People care about dead babies and children on either side of this, those who don't are a lost cause.

Well said. It baffles me how people can't see the difference.

Good simple video on the history (made before this war). Very factual and neutral.

CNN now confirmed that the report of beheaded babies is inaccurate & cannot be confirmed.

Those clinging to this horror rumour should be so ashamed of themselves. Even Biden. The White House have had to roll back on his lies.

Now the real question why did some of you want/need this to be true ?

Is it Because it allows you to pretend the war crimes Israel is committing currently on Palestinian babies is justified.

Shame on you. Shame on all of you.

It's Israel killing babies right now.

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