To think Hamas have given Israel the excuse they were looking for?

[MistyMooPup]

Not all of Israel. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has said he will obliterate Hamas. But undoubtedly hundred if not thousands of civilians will now be killed.

I’m not sure what Hamas thought the end game if this would be? What have the Iranians convinced them of? This was a sophisticated operation, outside help was given for definite.

I’m not sure it’s possible to rationalise with dehumanised terrorists, neither am I sure what the end game will be, but I just can’t understand what Hamas expected if not a total war/strikes from Israel in retaliation.

Good god the ordinary garzans are really stuffed. This is awful.

Thank you for sharing. I shall definitely have a proper look.

I find it hard to believe that the average person actually thinks the human rights violations and murder of innocent civilians in Gaza is something to be shrugged at. Nobody I know thinks babies and innocent every day people in Gaza are ever human collateral.

It’s possible to feel empathy for the innocent people and horror at the atrocities committed even if you do not agree with their so-called ‘government’.

In any war/civil unrest lives are lost on both ends, already Israel have killed 100s in retaliation. Neither side is in the right but we must stop the portrayal of Israel as the forever victims/wronged. Israel have killed 7000 Palestinians in the last 15 years.
It was similar in NI, the bad Catholics, innocent Protestants, atrocities on ALL sides, people have the right to live and not be driven from their homes because of ignorance and hatred.

@AhNowTed this is regally good to hear. Get rid of

Just been reported that Gaza's only power plant has run out of fuel, so the lights will be going off soon too

It almost feels as though to disagree with Israel’s historical treatment of Palestinians or their inevitable flattening of Gaza is seen as justifying the awful actions of Hamas on this thread.

I think it’s perfectly reasonable to condemn Israel’s treatment of Palestine - which is recognised by the UN as an illegal occupation and blockade - without that signalling that you somehow sympathise with terrorists.

My deepest sympathies are with the Israeli’s that have been subjected to the most disgusting and unimaginable traumas. It is gut wrenching.

But my horror and disgust of such vile acts does not make me automatically agree with the Israeli government and their treatment of Palestinians.

Any of you interested in this topic, I would really, really recommend the latest 'emergency' episode of this podcast which I've just listened to.

I'm a subscriber of theirs anyway but it gives a (relatively, although even they acknowledge the difficulty of that) non-partisan take on the geopolitical behind the scenes manoeuvrings that have led to this event and what we may expect to see going forward.

From this and some reading I've done today it really is clear that Hamas have led Jews but even worse their own people like lambs to the slaughter.

has anyone seen on twitter something about there being an encouragement from hamas for global violence on friday? making me really anxious

Well my message was deleted for simply stating that. No I am far from anti-semitic - I don't know how you could even perceive that. I have traveled to I Israel/Palestine and would go back again it was safe to go.

I am not taking sides here. I am just stating a fact. There are some countries that benefit by starting wars. This goes far deeper than we can imagine.
Look at the war in Russia - which countries benefit? Which corporations etc . . . While you were all focused on the war, The Russian rubble went up in value by 60% . . . how?

Why is the US always involved in wars around the world? And other countries - I saw Suella Braverman already taking sides etc.
I am not sure why my message has been deleted but I was just saying just think for a moment . . . why is this happening now? Who outside of Israel and Palestine is involved.

Remember how we went looking for weapons of mass destruction? Clearly you have to be a child to think that was the real purpose of that war, Iraq, Afghanistan etc. . . .

Good article in today's Guardian:

I am not sure what you are mad at and have reported my comment for. What's making you so mad. What did I say that triggered you? I simply said there are people who gain during wars, whether it's in search for weapons of mass destruction or Ukraine etc - someone will gain and those are the people primarily starting the wars. I have not said anything directed at Israel/Palestine - so why are you offended?

People need to read other things other than tabloids.

@BlurredEdges can you calmly point out which post or what I've said that you disagree with ?

I believe in accuracy in journalism
I condemn the killing of any innocents particularly children

I condemn war crimes.
I condemn Hamas
I condemn Israeli politicians using collective punishment

YOU are showing yourself. It's uncomfortable to watch.

Can you condemn all the above so succinctly?

Northern Ireland was FAR from being similar to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, so that's a false equivalence. We never even had a simplistic "bad Catholics, innocent Protestants" thing! We had a terrorists are bad which is why not one of them had majority support.

It's the reverse in Gaza where Hamas DOES have majority support.

When you have a terrorist group like Hamas deliberately operating amongst civilians and misusing civilian infrastructure including hospitals and even UN run schools to launch attacks that will explain the higher Palestinian death toll.

NATO Strategic Communications Centre of Excellence, the United Nations and various Governments all state Hamas use civilians as human shields.

It's textbook terrorist tactics because they don't have the firepower to go toe to toe with well equipped State armed forces.

The UN has reported that Israel has killed 9 UN staffers who were working in Gaza. Other NGO staffers are missing as well.

Gaza is being blown to smithereens and there will be many nationalities who were working in Gaza in humanitarian and other efforts who will be murdered as well.

Although reporting from Gaza will be harder and harder to get, it is awful to think of how many of the 2.5 million in Gaza will be killed in the coming days. Tens of thousands likely.

Israel’s pain is on every media site. It will be interesting to see what media acknowledges the horror happening in Gaza. Anyone who stays to record it risks being killed.

Some information from the US press conference tonight. I've selected the following:

"The United States is ready to take action should any actor hostile to Israel consider trying to escalate or widen this war.

We’re also going to continue to talk to our Israeli partners about their needs to ensure, again, that they have what they require to defend their country and their people. And that’s just not going to stop. In fact, it’s almost an hourly conversation that we’re having with our — our counterparts.

Q Thank you. John, you mentioned wanting to avoid actors in the region taking advantage of this. Can you give us a sense of who you think might take advantage of this that you’re worried about? Is it —

MR. KIRBY: I think there’s a unfortunately long list of actors in the region that are hostile to Israel. Hezbollah is one of them. And — and, you know, we’ve been watching with concern some of the rocket attacks that have come across the northern border of Israel from Lebanon, which obviously were coming from — from Hezbollah. So, we’re — we’re clearly concerned about that.

Q Are you concerned about Iran as well?

MR. KIRBY: We’re always concerned about Iran. And Iran’s hostility to Israel doesn’t need any reaffirmation by — by us. It’s — it’s out there plain to see. So, yeah, of course, we’re concerned about Iran."

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2023/10/11/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-nsc-coordinator-for-strategic-communications-john-kirby-20/

How can anyone say this is anything but horrific on both sides?

Gosh images of dead babies already all over twitter.

Where is the same condemnation?

https://twitter.com/5a1tt/status/1712226439670432245

Babies had their throats cut’: how Kfar Aza kibbutz massacre unfolded

My god, what have I just read.

Hamas are pure evil.

I was reading about the massacre details and it seems more barbaric than the usual hamas tactics. I think hamas is being helped by displaced Isis fighters because of the horrific violence being used. There's plenty of displaced Isis fighters around who are desperate to have a pop at anyone. Israel would be their prime candidate now that they've been pushed out of Iraq etc.

This war definitely feels a lot more different and horrific than the usual Israeli/Hamas conflict.

It's the reverse in Gaza where Hamas DOES have majority support.

If I lived in Gaza, I'd bloody well support Hamas too. And so would anyone with common sense. "Supporting" violent thugs is the way to stay alive. So their "support" is hardly a test of anything.

Well said.

Hammas are depraved terrorists.
Israel bombing the bejaysus out of 2 million people and depriving them of food and water is equally depraved. Hospitals overwhelmed - little medical care. There is no right in all this. Just stop just negotiate for the hostages. Is netanyahu even doing that??
Just stop all this violence. And this if you arent with israel well you are anti- jew rubbish.
I am with any innocent people involved in this ' war'. Its shocking.
Also shocking
Israel secret police asleep at the wheel
Gaza gas pipeline which funnily enough the eu are in need of.
Egypt will not welcome gazans as they wont be let back and israel now occupy gaza.
Lots of theories on X
Some nonsensical.
There are atrocities on both sides neither are angels even saying that does that make me anti jew. I feel the anti semite card and showing footage of the concentration camps is just media exploitation and a crafty way to silence any critique of israel.

Its just horrifying the whole thing

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12621843/Father-Thomas-Hand-WELCOMES-news-8-year-old-daughter-Emily-killed-Hamas-monsters-kidnapped-taken-hostage-waiting-two-agonizing-days-update-Death-blessing.html

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@Ilefttownonsaturday That's an interesting point. The man who was manhandling the woman with blood on her trousers was clearly not Palestinian.

It’s horrible. They went into childrens’ bedrooms with the sole intention of finding them and murdering them. Brutally.

some of their rooms were left covered in blood.

the article that @ForFriends (yes, it’s a daily fail one. The video however was given to CNN and it has been reported on by various reputable platforms) is incredibly telling. Imagine how desperate a parent would be to be relieved to hear that his daughter was murdered.

They said, we found Emily, she’s dead. And I just went ‘yes!’ I went ‘yes’ and I smiled, because that is the best news of the possibilities that I knew.

Because he knows what hamas does to the people they capture.