30s TTC: Club BESHicana, drinks are free and we're hungry like the WOOFL! The MSDP continues...

[Scorpette]

Come on in, collect the Grolsch bottle tops for your DM shoes at the door

We're going all-out 80s for the continuation of the Mass Summer Diffment Project: John Hughes films playing back-to-back and on BESH FM, DJ ChoCho will be playing our all-time 80s faves, from New Romantics to Synth to Goth to Hair Metal to Pop and back again (no Fields of The Nephilim, mind). Our bartenders and waiters are Ducky from Pretty in Pink, Ralph Macchio (the Karate Kid) and Corey Haim (back from the dead especially for us) and unlike most of the real 80s, we actually get to booze!

Here's hoping the authentic 80s vibe will trick our bodies into thinking we've got the ovaries of teenagers!

(Not to mention tricking them into being super skinny and able to eat whatever we want and staying that way!)

There's plenty of Babycham and Ice Magic to pour over ice-cream in the Pit and Metal Mickey will bring them to the wretched at the click of a finger.

So whaddya waiting for? Slip on the ra-ra skirts, slap on the blue eyeliner and let's get winning those baybeez! Last one in the pool's a psycho hose beast!

I am relighting my candle too over here in the foreign lands.

Oh, antenna, luvver, come here and snuggle in my ample BMI 28 bossom. It's relly comfy (unless you suffocate).

lyra you are welcome to cop a feel I hope your friend gets the all celar from her scan - scary stuff - the trouble is that the getting diffed doesn't end the worry innit...

mountie well yes - they all do seem to get diffed fucking quickly... I started attempting diffment in 2008... We did have a rather feeble attempt in 2007 for a couple of months, but stopped to plan for wedding... But I thought I would def have baybee by last christmas - just hadn't thought it would take so fucking long... But I do know I am lucky cos I am now

scorpalina please to try to grope anyway - I don't get much action

poopoo fancy some BUMSEX

Scorps hey what can i say, we all have our flaws. i'll keep my canvas loving perversions to myself is all.

laurilou thanks for the welcome (tip of the pork pie hat to you)

yo to you all!, whats this about acidic wombs? arggh, dont need to hear that after just having to go thru my sad history of failing to get diffed (correct usage?) with a consultant and a nurse. now i think this must be the problem, i'm allergic to mrBs bad boys, yikes.

mind you, results from his jizz test hadn't come back, do so hope it me not him as not sure his male pride could take it, bless him, or pref neither of us and its just bad luck.

Right I have looked it up.

Infertility Network UK have a factsheet called "problems with cervical mucus" (which I can't link to, sorry - prob with their website, but works if you google it). That explains that acid CM causes about 5% of female infertility. Also explains the post-coital test you are supposed to have (to see if the swimmers in the CM are dead or alive).

However, cross-refing with NICE guidance, they don't recommend this test because it doesn't make any difference to your treatment (so would cost NHS money for "unnecessary" test). If you have hostile CM you will need IVF. If they don't know you have hostile CM, but you aren't getting updiffed, you will need IVF anyway (section 5.6 of full NICE guideline if anyone interested).

LyrieResearcherLyrie you have made perfect sense of the whole thing, and I shall not feel guilty for spreading rumours as you have explained them so perfectly. And it is confirmed by the story of the couple which has started this whole thing. On one hand I think I would want to know the EXACT cause, on the other hand it does make sense not to worry as IVF is IVF is IVF.

Only difference I can think of is that if you (and by you I mean any of us) had the test done privately (can't be expensive to suck a bit of spunky CM up and look at it under a microscope), you could then wave your results at the NHS, and thus go straight to IVF. Because obv clomid is no use to someone in this situation, and apparently IUI isn't either, so would be best to skip all of that. Worth keeping in mind at least.

Another here who took a year. the week I got my blue line, I also got my appointment through from the ACU, after having had all my day 21s, dildocam and all that shizzle.

Re getting seen before a year, NICE guidelines are that they should start looking after 6 months if you are over 35.

thanks for that Lyra, all those factoids have me feeling slightly less hysterical.

hostile CM has me thinking of little men hanging about in my vejajay dressed in helmets and armor, brandishing spears.

think i am just a bit on one, as i have to wait another 9 weeks and another round of blood tests to even get an inkling of what is going on, now kicking myself for leaving it so late. really should be work right now but have no motivation at all.

In terms of all my AC advice (I did A LOT of resarch), the consensus seems to be that you might as well skip IUI and go straight to IVF. Not that IUI won't work, but its success rates are relatively low compared to IVF.

However, it is a slightly less invasive and druggy option, and I know that people (hello Cho) do suceed with it.

I'm now utterly paranoid that I will/have offended someone who's going through IUI - but I don't think there's anyone here who is?

The post-coital test is quite icky - ask the lovely extreme and I think can be relatively inconclusive. Most clinics - even the private ones - don't bother with it any more, as far as I know. Like Mountie said, if you're going to be doing IVF anyway, you might just as well get on with it.

Drom you are right as always - NICE guideline says "a systematic review of 11 observational studies (n = 3093 women)
showed that the postcoital test has poor predictive power of fertility and lacks validity" - so it's a load of old cobblers basically!

Am sure no-one here going through IUI, fret ye not.

Holy fuck. Do not go in the FESH spa. In case you were thinking of it.

FESH what?

I was thinking of it - why not? Awful birth stories?

Mountie - BESHs who have now had babies - ie post PESH - Forever ESH.

Terrible birth stories, yes.

Aries You're NOT supposed to go in there! That's why they really kindly took the birth stories/baby discussions off the PESH thread - so that we wouldn't end up sick, miserable and terrified. You only have yourself to blame.

But I want a sneak preview of what life is like on the other side...you can't stop me Hump, I'm going in - wheeeeeeeeee

If it wasn't running ahead of myself I would ask what's wrong with a selective cesarian. But it is and I won't.

I too avoid the FESH fred...

Am back. I survived the spa, but only by pretending it was all just fairy stories

Aries you do realise that telling us not to go there is the best way to send us all running to see what's going on! But Lyra's right, it's all fairy stories and Iggy is right about gentle sneezes.

Hi everyone.

Twinks lovely - I'm so sorry. Sounds as though you are fairly sure of the outcome on Tuesday. Big hugs to you, hope you're doing alright - don't push yourself to go to work if you need some time.

everyone else ok? hello new people.

Spotting has started again, am bout to call midwife to book in a scan. I'm hoping it is just because it is the time I would've had my period?

Salty I'm sorry

Nothing much else to say today. Still feeling fairly rubbish but am indulging in a spot of the old GBRP (high five Lyra ) which, if nothing else, is at least getting my house cleaned.

Oh, Scorps it arived this morning, good old Royal Mail! Thankyou. Will settle down for a good look later

ps Pollster I iz finking I might ring up GP and ask for my test results proper, like. Which ones should I ask for? They did flipping reams, full blood count, thyroid, etc - I guess I need the prog and FSH ones?

And how did you get your FSH levels down?

I know Drom But how could I not? Seeing as I was told not to? Be reasonable!

Oh and Cass, so sorry you're feeling down but you're very good for facing things and going to ask for tests. I hope everything turns out well and you've just needed a little time. Everyone talks about "infertility" (yeurgh - sorry) being lonely and sad, but I guess if you've got one already then you feel even more lonely because people assume, well they've had one...what's the problem? Sorry if this is a crashingly obvious thing to say