30s TTC: Club BESHicana, drinks are free and we're hungry like the WOOFL! The MSDP continues...

[Scorpette]

Come on in, collect the Grolsch bottle tops for your DM shoes at the door

We're going all-out 80s for the continuation of the Mass Summer Diffment Project: John Hughes films playing back-to-back and on BESH FM, DJ ChoCho will be playing our all-time 80s faves, from New Romantics to Synth to Goth to Hair Metal to Pop and back again (no Fields of The Nephilim, mind). Our bartenders and waiters are Ducky from Pretty in Pink, Ralph Macchio (the Karate Kid) and Corey Haim (back from the dead especially for us) and unlike most of the real 80s, we actually get to booze!

Here's hoping the authentic 80s vibe will trick our bodies into thinking we've got the ovaries of teenagers!

(Not to mention tricking them into being super skinny and able to eat whatever we want and staying that way!)

There's plenty of Babycham and Ice Magic to pour over ice-cream in the Pit and Metal Mickey will bring them to the wretched at the click of a finger.

So whaddya waiting for? Slip on the ra-ra skirts, slap on the blue eyeliner and let's get winning those baybeez! Last one in the pool's a psycho hose beast!

I'm actually a real softy 'n' a loony-lefty 'reason with kids, don't punish them, smacking is a crime' sort, but don't tell anyone! I do already have 'The Voice'; y'know, that voice yer Mum has that puts the fear of god into you as I used to work with kids, back when you could yell at them, heheh - I just need the kids to bellow at now (which proves I'm a massive hypocrite in the light of my opening statement)

T'was an off the cuff number ... I hated boarding school and there is no way that our would-be-kid is going! Impressed with having "The Voice".

By the way was having a chat with MrH this arvo about how his sperm were feel after the additional supplements and no booze or caffine this week and got on to talking about our FC appointment. Its out first one at the hozzy and I'm not sure what to expect.
Any words of wisdom from the BESH Panel?

'Scuse me old memory, but when did you say your appointment is? I could enlighten you after mine on Thursday...

Thanks Mounty its not till 18th August so quite a while. I've had 3 & 21 day bloods which were fine and MrH has had two poor samples. I'm a bit that we'll go and they just say you need more tests and so it goes on and for me the BIG 40 is looming like some gigantic end of the universe date that if not diffed before I will never - God that's wayyy over the top dramatic but you get my drift....

Yes, I just trawled through the thread to find it was August! Well, like I said, I do not have much wisdom now, but will do after Thursday, as we are in a pretty similar situation... I am, sadly, convinced that testing will go on for a while, but that is a hunch / fear rather than an informed opinion. In a way I would like them to investigate the problem, on the other hand am prepared for them to just send us for IUI. I would almost prefer that for the sake of haste, but then, it is better to know the problem. Anyway, this is all conjecture! Will report more later.

BTW, just looking at houses in Brighton and CH falling in love with it! Almost ready to face the commute to London. I am really not convinced, although we do have a friend that does it daily. How do you like the gay capital? BTW, houses for sale are sooooo tasteful compared with the rest of the country!

Brighton is great. Tourists and stag / hens bit of pain. Hove and Preston park prob best for commuting.

I'll look out for your update on Tuesday. Good luck.

Morning ladies,

salty I'm so, so sorry to hear your news. Mr S sounds like a trooper! The very thought of 60+ 13 year olds would have me running for the hills at the best of times. So don't push yourself. If you want to throw yourself into something, if that's how you best deal with tough times, then fine. But do not, I repeat DO NOT push yourself into something you don't really want to do. Be kind to yourself, x

aries Congrats to your sister. Sounds very, very scary. Is there any more news this morning?

head what time is your smear appt?

cass I'm glad Friday went as well as these things can. Also well done on your exam results!!

Well, I'm on CD18, & we've only SWI 3 times. That's rubbish. I'm actually feeling very down, just generally. Don't think I can fully blame TTC. I also have a massive (no pun intended) complex about my weight. All my friends & the boyf's family are sylph like creatures, with baybees. I just feel like the fat barren heffer that casts a shadow on their perfect* lives. We're off to see the boyf's brother at the weekend - SIL looks like Gwyneth Paltrow, now has 2 beautiful sons & is so lovely that I can't dislike her.

• I know being thin doesn't make life perfect, & that these people have had various nasties in their lives.

All that said, someone is "celebrating" 10 years in this company & has brought in the most amazing selection of cakes. I will prolly be partaking later. So I have no-one to blame but myself.

Crap, I've depressed myself even more now. Pliz to ignore my stoopid self indulgent ramblings, when there are real tough times going on, x

Just dropping in to say sorry for the crappy news salty. Life really sucks sometimes. Hope you are doing OK m'dear and that you have some hols or some such planned in the next few weeks. Gin slings to you.

Lorry you look very lovely and perfect to me. I have seen your pictures. Please don't start thinking like this - as WiseHead said only a couple of pages back, all women think like this about something, and it will definitely be the case that all these apparently perfect women think the same about something about you.

PLease everyone offer kind thoughts, vibes, prayers this morning for NephewAries who has his operation this morning. Could be 3 hours, could be 8 hours, depending on what they find. BIL being all man-like and stiff upper lip about it but inside is falling apart. Sister seems ok.

C'mere for a cuddle, Loz - I've been moaning about similar things this weekend too; obligatory summer week with TYF's family coming up, where they are all thin with at least 15 kids each (or so it seems) and I'm the porky childless cougar who has stolen TYF away when he should be with a lovely woman of his own age who could give him a gazillion kiddiwinks Although they're not as good-looking, funny, clever and warm as my family, buahaha

All this (well, most of it) is totally my menkul and it's your menkul too. You are fab and you are not ruining their family in anyway - they should be bloody glad to have you

DPO10 and I think I'm due to get the pre-droid panty drool sometime today GAAAH!

Mounty, I farkin LOVE Brighton and me and TYF want to live there (perhaps the BESH commune should be in the B&H area?). Although the thought of the future kids having a southern accent, particularly a Brighton one, is quite offputting (apols to all you Soft Southern Shites out there ).

Laurie my duck, I do understand the heiferness fears, but won't repeat my impassioned posts of a coupla days ago 'cos I'll bore the tits off everyone! I just feel so that we wimminz value ourselves so much by our appearance, and that 90% of that is how much space we take up in the room. Makes me and and , not least because I do it too. I mean, men don't fret about meeting new people by thinking "Quick, Barry! Slim into 32 waist jeans or no-one will like you!". They just bank on being able to make 'em larf and having something interestingly boyish to say ("The thing about Arsenal is they just try and walk it in". A CGI tenner for whoever can tell me where that quote comes from?!).

Oh plus also Lozza, SWI 'only' three times is three times as many shags as it takes, if you see what I mean! Once is enough and all that!

ANYHOO my smear appointment is 7.30 tomorrow morning.

THANKS all for bothering about it.

Meanwhile day 14 in the Headbanger House. The months when It All Went Rather Strange (mid-cycle spotting after enthusiastic and attentive SWI followed by peculiar periods etc etc GP said mebbe mmc but we'll never know etc. etc.) the spotting started bang on day 17, every time, so my menkul will begin on Thursday. Just so you know . We only SWI'd twice. This is partly from choice: we were getting all wound up and stressed about sex, and we had 2 really smashing times innit , and there were 2 fertile FFJ type days after that and both times we knew we should do it, but were out of the house, or headachy, or stressed about work, and I ended up a bit tearful , and we decided we'd both go insane if we tried to carry out a sex life based on guilt and tearfulness and desperation if that makes sense. So we'll see.

Salty love how you feeling?

Mounty I never responded to your PhD post as to whether I could have/would have done it with a baybee and the answer is yessir most deffo. If I think of the hours wasted on dressmaking or going out or getting over going out or going to the cinema in the morning or baking, and replace that with caring for a Wriggler, I reckon it can be done. BAsically, if you have the cojones for a PhD, you have the cojones, whatever the circumstances. People I know who are doing v. badly are also the ones with private income so they don't need a job, and have no kids. They're just not bright or dedicated enough. Those that complete on time and pass are often ones with busier work/family lives.

Good luck for Thurs btw - exactly what will you be discussing at the FC? (I am going to trawl back over the posts and find out!).

Aries I shall pray & light the BESHcandle. Love to you all.

Candle is ON and stays ON until NephewAries comes out of surgery A-okay. The tenderest of cuddles to him, big hugs to your sis and manly arm punches to BIL. And huge reassuring snuggles for AuntyRieRie too

Yes, I said snuggles. What of it?

My thoughts and warmest best wishes to AriesNephew this morning.

Scorpoo, I am hoping mine will have a bit of a Yank accent! But do love the idea of a BESH commune down there! Sun, sea and feisty gals, ahhh. I would like the idea of somewhere out of London but as cosmopolitan / open minded. But the commute! Oh the commute! Maybe if I do that Phd . I SO need to sort out my career.

Bangster, CH is quite big (hence the Chubby Hubby) and very conscious about it. He is incredibely clever too, and what we have noticed is that sometimes people view big men as not so clever or don't give them the time of day. As I have witnessed this I have to say fat is not just a feminist issue! But then, he is quite a gentle soul too. Maybe it would be different if he were macho.

Your secs life sounds very familiar. Sometimes I wonder if it is the rarity / bad timing why we don't win a baybee, but I think that's just menkul. I think superfertiles 'succeed' the only odd time when they are having it in the back of the car... I know I was conceieved while my father was away on a long business trip. No, no, I am not that naive! My mum came to see him for one night on a weekend, and hey presto, you are looking at the words of an accident. Somehow it don't bother me. And I have to say your mid-cycle spotting sounds very much like the ovulation bleed I used to have (stopped on its own, dunno why).

And that is great to hear about the Phd! I still have to think about my own cojones, as you say, but it is good to know that it is not neccesarily child unfriendly. I suppose it can be classified as 'flexible' work.

On Thursday we shall discuss: ehm, don't really know! Man's jizz results which I thought were bad morphology, but it turns out that is not necessarily the problem, but that there is not enough of the stuff. We have a hunch that he may have a bit of a block (if there was more of the stuff the count would be ok). So we will try and discuss our hunch. I have no idea what they will want to discuss. I am so far so good, although my periods vary a lot. I would say I do ovulate though... Was all of that TMI?

Sorry for a verbal outburst and glad to hear you are spreading your legs tomorrow HeadStart !

Mounty Grrrrr and that the lovely CH feels that way, and I 'PLEETLY agree that it's not just a feminist ishoo...I guess my rage comes from the fact that women seem to feel it even when, as per both Loz and Score, they're not even (IMveryHO)actually chubby. Somewhere along the line the bar for what is 'acceptable' in women has been set absurdly high, or, to put it more effectively in this particular context, absurdly low.

There can never be TMI on this fred woman - witness my precise descriptions of the colour and consistency of recent bleeding after SWI . I'm now going to google what a block in a man's plumbing might be and what might be done about it. Partly from teh sheer joy of research and partly because my testings are all good so far and the OM has yet to go for his, so I'm interested in what might be going on...

Re BESHcommune - anyone read the Grauniad Family section this weekend? There was a bit in it about communes. I did have a bit of a daydream!

Thinking of AriesNephew today and sending all good thoughts that things will go well.

ariesnephew lots of good thoughts & positive vibes on their way. You OK aries?

Thanks everyone am very for being such a nobber.

banger I know what you mean about it only taking 1 SWI. Actually, this would prolly be the month it happens for me - giving up on Clomid, not so much SWI. Hell, I even ran out of folic acid & thought "meh" & didn't buy any for a few days. Phew, how cur-razy am I?

For the record, I've just eaten one of those pastries with the strawberry & cream etc inside. It was lubberly & has to count as 1 of my 5 a day*, non?

*fruit & veg portions, not cakes.

You are not a nobber and I punch anyone who infers so

Go & get 10 Silk Cut & wash 'em down with a can of Red Stripe, that'll get you diffed quicker than you can say "Pregnacare 2 for 1 at Boots" !

Pregnacare is evil. Makes me Pukey McPuke.

I was a bit anxious about posting this here, but thought a little good news might be welcomed. I had 8 week scan today and saw the baby's heartbeat. Many tears were shed. I hope to hear some more good news from others soon.

Oh Muse. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX. That is all.

Oh no it's not! XXXX

Fingers crossed for ariesnephew.

head Is that Arsenal thing from the IT crowd?

Fat is a feminist issue - what your lovely husband may be experiencing, Mountie, is a reaction to his body being read (by the patriarchy) as effeminate, and thus he is occasionally treated as a woman would be.

My first FC appointment was very much a reassurance that there was probably nothing wrong and setting up of more tests - they insisted on doing day 3 bloods again, and booked me in for dildocam and an HSG. It seemed to be a question of getting all the information possible before a diagnosis was finally made...

Mountie If there are sperm issues, they may not suggest IUI. We were told to proceed directly to ICSI.

Oooh, BESH commune! I am in! When's the man going for the test, SirBangsALot? I do not know much about blocks, but I think are resolved by surgery or sometimes drugs. The only reason we think this is a block is because there is not enough of the liquid. Ie. there is enough (on the low side, but enough) of everything per ml, there just aren't enough mls! But will let you know. I am sure first they'll make him jizz in a pot again. Perfection this is why the GP (albeit not such informed GP methinks) thought it would be IUI, as there are still healthy looking boys that can be washed and sent on their merry way. IUI is apparently mostly used in exactly cases like this or 'unexplained' ones. Though I just realised you had a sperm ishoo too, so may know more than me!

Musteeeeeeeeer yeeey! We need good news! Smoooooootch. (Sorry, I know we have not been that intimate, but couldn't hold back the excitement.) Ehm, I know I am an ignoramus, but why 8 week scans? Thought they happen at 12 weeks. (I thought it would be premature for me to go and learn about pregnancies...)

Ha, ha Perfection you might be right, especially as the man is quite gentle. I never read Bodies That Matter fully. BUT am not convinced. I am not 100% fan of Butler, though I really need to read more to form a full opinion. Not the most eloquent of writers though, is she? Saying that, you intrigued me, so I may consider CH's problem from this point of view. And agree with Banger about the bar being set low.

P.S. Is HSG painful?

Bad history FairyMuff. Had ectopic last time so got 6 week scan to check this one was ok. They couldn't see the baby at 6 weeks, but could tell it was in the right place. They gave me an 8 week one as well just to absolutely confirm it looks viable.

. Right. Excellent, Muse.

Any news from Arieski?