30s TTC: Club BESHicana, drinks are free and we're hungry like the WOOFL! The MSDP continues...

[Scorpette]

Come on in, collect the Grolsch bottle tops for your DM shoes at the door

We're going all-out 80s for the continuation of the Mass Summer Diffment Project: John Hughes films playing back-to-back and on BESH FM, DJ ChoCho will be playing our all-time 80s faves, from New Romantics to Synth to Goth to Hair Metal to Pop and back again (no Fields of The Nephilim, mind). Our bartenders and waiters are Ducky from Pretty in Pink, Ralph Macchio (the Karate Kid) and Corey Haim (back from the dead especially for us) and unlike most of the real 80s, we actually get to booze!

Here's hoping the authentic 80s vibe will trick our bodies into thinking we've got the ovaries of teenagers!

(Not to mention tricking them into being super skinny and able to eat whatever we want and staying that way!)

There's plenty of Babycham and Ice Magic to pour over ice-cream in the Pit and Metal Mickey will bring them to the wretched at the click of a finger.

So whaddya waiting for? Slip on the ra-ra skirts, slap on the blue eyeliner and let's get winning those baybeez! Last one in the pool's a psycho hose beast!

I feel the same about religion (you said it in a much more concise way than me - so much for baby brain!). I didn't have a religious-free upbringing, of course and I do think many stories in the Bible are great and have good messages. But that's where they begin and end for me - stories, not truths. And the historical document thing and the sexism thing is spot-on too. I also hate the way that the Bible, etc., is used as an excuse for homophobia. The stuff about not lying with another man is not that straightforward at all and is places as equally evil as eating shellfish and wearing mixed fibres, which everyone conveniently overlooks.

It's not like I want all children to hear nothing about religion or the stories and fables of all religions; I just object to them being presented as facts - and as facts that everyone believes or should believe. We were exposed to all sorts of religions growing up, from school, 3 C of E Grandparents (other Atheist), and friends from all backgrounds taking us to synagogues, temples, Mosques, even Buddhist chanting. I've always thought the rituals and traditions are lovely - just never able to see the teachings as anything other than fiction.

I really will shut up about the subject now.

Waaaay too tired to write stuff re own (non) religious views. Also don't want the debate to take over the thread. Though some good points raised....

Am very worried about twink.

Not that I'm in charge of the fred or anything....

evening all and thank you, thank you for your positive thoughts and concern. Quick update from me; had follow up scan this afternoon at EPU which was mixed. Totally threw me when they found a normal, healthy heartbeat - I really had no hope of this pregnancy continuing. However, the embryo is not growing as much as they would have expected which indicates that the pregnancy is not developing properly so the stress and worry continues. Area of bleeding has reduced but is still present. I am going on holiday for 2 weeks next Thursday so cannot have another follow up scan until 2nd week of August when I should be 11 weeks. Not sure my mental health will survive a wait like that, especially if at the end of it there is nothing or a horrible decision to make about continuing with a 'abnormal' foetus. Not much I can do though so just have to plod on.

Cass - hope you're other half is ok. Allergic reactions can be terrifying. I had a friend at uni who I used to quite regularly find passed out and swollen and have to hotfoot it to A&E.

Salty - good luck for your scan later this week.

Gin - is all still looking ok with your BOC?

Aaaaaaand cass I hope you're alright luvver. Me n mr gin discussed same but realised we wouldn't be able to bring ourselves to actually use contraception and would therefore still be trying to some extent...

You've had a LOT on your plate recently. Take it easy on yourself and don't rush into any Big Decisions. And we're here if you want us

and beshie don't think cho is around palace at mo. Will pass on your beshlove

twink oh bloody hell that's hard... Did they give any idea of what week/day boc is seeming to be?

Really really REALLY hope this horrible time has a happy ending.

And cheers for asking,as far as I know things are ok...

gosh twinks that's tough. I really hope all is well when you go back at 11 weeks.

cass sorry to hear about your woes; give yourself a break - you can always come back to the TTC. We took a month off, and it did help clear the head.

oh Twinkybar I feel your pain.....Good news re heartbeat though? But the whole hope/unhope thing is just exhausting, and you've been doing it for longer than me, so I am in awe of your strength.

Hello all btw. ex-fucking-hausted this evening.

twinks is it not possible to have another scan next tues or wed? Or would you rather leave til after hol?

Twinks that's so hard, having such mixed news. I can't imagine what you're going through. Much love coming your way.

Also Cass hope MrCass is feeling better. Hope you guys come to the decision that's right for you.

Gin - you know the EPU in Briz - I'm worried I haven't managed to speak to them, the midwife I saw last week said they could see me Friday, but I've only left a message with them. If I just turn up at 9 do you think they will see me? i'm thinking that should be fine....

Just turn up. Before 9 if you can...tell them what the midwife said n it should be fine. They told me just to turn up...and cos you were there last week they will have all your details....

Thanks gin .You know, I'm so glad things are all good with your BOC my dear, do you have to go back and have any more scans?

I think a bar fight was started earlier? So....

Have been working all day long and I find a theological debate which I started but did not finish and some very serious decisions from my lovely pal Cassandra.

Firstly I hope your OH is ok - anaphylaxis is scary in the extreme, not only for those who have it, but for those who witness it. Hope everything is subsiding and his adrenaline injection (or whatever they gave him) ddin't hurt too much. When I had one and some ham-fisted medic in A&E gave me the said injection, I nearly punched him in the face. The nurse gave me a sympathetic look and said only nurses can do good injections.

Secondly the BESH-love will support you in whatever you decide. It sounds as though you have done some serious thinking - but please don't go away altogether You iz my pal.

Dear Twinks, I am so sorry that the news was so worrying, and especially that you have such a terribly long wait . Of course it must have been good to hear that the heartbeat was strong and normal...but how appalling to have to wait to hear more about its development...like the others said, is there no chance of having another scan before you go away - that's another 9 days & awful to be put through that. Even if you needed to pay for a private scan. Am thinking of you pal.

(And SandDunesAndSaltyAir while I'm at it)

Am also to hear about your frankly horrifying throat Bangers. I'm sure there's litigation in there somewhere. Or at least a good tabloid article. Sounds horrendous.

And Twinks, sorry to hear that the news is so mixed. Living in limbo like this must be beyond awful and stressful. To second the others, is there any way at all you can get a san before you go away?

Laurie I got my appointment prob 2 weeks ago which was in between my 3 and 21 day blood tests and I must have first gone to Quacks about 4 weeks ago. Not sure what Brighton & Hove hozzy are like but ... We'll give it a go.

MrH got his vits so I supose we'll see

Toes nice to meet you and sorry your having a tough time

twinks I'm sorry that your news is so mixed. But there is still some hope, so I shall certainly keep that candle going & good vibes aplenty.

gin good to hear things seem to be progressing well.

cass bless you, your post has brought a tear to my eye. You have had to deal with so, so much lately. How's Mr Stew this eve? OK I hope. Obviously its none of my bizniz but I wouldn't make any definite decisions right now. Take some time out, by all means. I think most of us have done that to some degree & its helped. Even me not taking Clomid this month has felt like a breath of fresh air. Whatever you decide though, take care.

Well, although I haven't taken Clomid & its felt nice, I am still trying different things. Therefore have booked for a reflexology treatment with lady who has had good diff results. She's so much in demand I can't see her until 7 Aug, & its costs £45!! Fuck me, I'd get a baybee cheaper on ebay. Hope she is good, else I can see my baybee fund disappearing under a good foot massage.

Anyhoo, I shall bid you fine ladeez a good evening & stamp on all your toes for good measure, x

Twinks, so sorry that the scan is both good and possibly-not-so-good news. I second the notion of getting another scan done at an EPU; how anyone could cope with a 2-wk wait to know the outcome, I don't know. You'll need another holiday to get over this one!

Quite a few BESHes in anguish at the mo (you know who you all are) and my candle is lit and my heart is open for all of you. Huge hugs and kisses all round. Well, none on the mouth for poor old Bangers

Note to self: you are too old to bogle, even if it's trying to teach TYF for a laugh

Club BESHicana at the bottom of the list? What's going on!? Come on you slaaaags

Sorry it is all a bit inconclusive. All the BESHes will be thinking of you.

SaltShaker you are going in this Friday?

I am procrastinating with a dissertation, going to a funeral today and have been dilligently engaging in daily post-flu SWI. At least I feel like I've done my homework properly for the FC.

Salad, how did white goods results go?
ChoosyGirl you say your appointment is in August? Which part of the world are you at?

Fairy I'm in the Gay Capital of England, the flamboyant and weird Brighton...Well done on the post flu SWI, have missed the boat this month what with the passion inspiring Fridge results and the MrH's bad back...

Hey Salad must of missed that you were getting a Fridge Test too. Let us know how it goes...

cass you sound like you need an unm'netty type hug. You've been through a lot recently so am not at all surprised you want to take a break. Hopefully you'll stick around here for a bit though whilst you get your head together? 'Tis all a bit much but at the moment so be kind to youself.

Twinks another candle here for you. Sounds like you're having to deal with quite a lot at the moment too

mountie good work girl! I'm impressed that you managed to have your wicked way despite the man flu.

Jimmymac we're also waiting on the fridge test results. It's a week tomorrow that it will have been done so hoping to get the results soon! So, a few of us waiting on these bad boys.

As for me, hmm. Not much to report really. Still got droid so no action in these parts. Mr O had yet another rubbish meeting with his boss yesterday so no assurances on the job front yet - booooo.

Twinks I'm very glad to hear there's still hope, but sad that it's not more clear for you. How to mess with someone's head - why do our bodies do these things? Hope you can get another scan pre-holiday for a clearer picture.

Cass that sounds like a scary experience with Mr Stew, hope he's OK now. Glad you're talking about it all. I think redlorryyellowlorry is wise when she says now's maybe not the time to be making final decisions, but only you will know that for you. (If you ask us we'll say you should keep trying cos then you'll stay in the palace and we don't want you to go anywhere (except the deli, obviously)).

(Oh, and not wanting to reopen the theological discussion but wanted to say that Scorps I too hate the way the bible is used to justify homophobia and all manner of ills. Those of us who hold to it as something of great importance don't have the greatest track record of using it sensibly or graciously and that makes me very sad.)