Just MC and ready to try again? Pack your cake, wine and tightie whities and join us for more ranting, weeping and most of all, laughing. All welcome (Part2)

[Magic8ballhastheanswers]

Nice clean thread for us - may there be many a BFP on here

Am 2dpo and already have rtd-like cramping and back-ache. Not helping me to fuggeddaboudit for the next two weeks.

thanks digitalgirl I will look into that. I have a regular cycle but am sure that I have ovulated as far apart as day 8 and day 17 in some cycles, so it might be a useful monitor. I am fairly sure in March I ovulated twice

In other news (and I'm trying not to hog the thread, honest) I had a much, much better experience with hospital today. different doctor who said 'ooh fingers and everything firmly crossed for it to have gone down today!' and when I said I realised I might have been a bit of a pain in the arse yesterday she said 'god no, not at all, it's about you, not us, and it's about what you feel is right for you' - she also said that my notes said that the consultant said if they go down at all then I won't need methotrexate - which is not what I was told by teenager-doctor-grumpy-cow yesterday!

She'd clearly read my notes and said although she's not in this afternoon when I get the results, she'd be thinking of me and she'd check tomorrow on how it went for me

and digitalgirl hugs and chocolate to you x

I'm trying to mark this years KS2 English reading papers today... and all I'm seeing is answers like "he realized his child was the most precious thing in the world"... "family was what made him happiest" etc etc.

You can imagine how these are making me feel - can't wait till I get back to the answers about how everyone died on the way to the Gold Rush.

hairy you won't have ovulated twice, but your body may have attempted to ovulate and then for some reason (stress, illness etc) didn't so it attempted ovulation a second time and then got it right. Technically, once an egg has been released, the empty follicle it came from starts producing progesterone which stops the rest of the eggs maturing and being released within about 24 hours. Sometimes another egg is released before there is enough progesterone to stop it...if both eggs get fertilized and implant then this results in fratnernal (non-identical) twins. But they will only be hours apart - not days or weeks.

fraternal (not fratnernal)

can you tell I've been reading a lot on ttc?

Empty concentrate on the typos

digital it is actually possible to ovulate twice in one cycle! I've been told this by my consultant and there is stuff online to show it can happen.

"In rare cases, a women may ovulate twice in a month, once from each ovary. "

source www.fwhc.org/health/moon.htm

Ah, trumped by a professional . If your consultant says its possible then please ignore me...am only spouting shizzle that I read in my Zita and TCOYF books.

It's very, very rare, though, digital LOL. Seems I am a total freak of nature!!!

Only an hour to go til I can find out if my HCG has gone down - drumrol............. tumbleweed............ everything is crossed!

afternoon all,

well i have just spent the entire day in my car. I volenteered to do this balloon drop in GOSH for kids with cancer.. took me FOREVER to get there and then made me so sad to see so many bald children
It really put everything into perspective for me today... lets see how i feel tomorrow!!!

Thanks so much for such a warm welcome!!!
Im really hoping this month is my month.
these are my symptoms that i hgave convinced myself mean i am pg.

spotty spotty spot spots
but crampy
boobs little hurty
back little hurty

except im not a crazy person, which is the thing that is making me think that above symptoms are made up.

so nice to be somewhere where i can feel less crazy! ok im going to add myself to the list.

Wednesday's List

JulesAbs TTC#1 UCL30 cycle 2 CD58
dirtgirl TTC#2 UCL28 cycle 2 CD49
Scotchontherocks TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 5 CD45
Gonnabe TTC#1 UCL28 Cycle 2 C42
Pollyanna TTC#6 UCL27 cycle3 CD34
Curlylox TTC#3 UCL28 cycle 3 CD34
Dorcas11 TTC 1, UCL29, cycle 1, CD34
Moofold TTC#2 UCL~33 cycle3 CD32
slimyak TTC#2 UCL26 cycle 5 CD31
Clareanna TTC#2 UCL35 cycle 3 CD28
LucySnowe TTC#2 UCL 40+ cycle 3 CD26
Hopefully TTC#2 UCL 28 cycle 6 CD26
vivcliquot TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 6 CD25
Tigger15 TTC#2 UCL26-9 cycle 12 CD25
Littlemiss72 TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD21
LadyBee TTC#2 UCL27 cycle 1 CD15
Urd TTC#3 UCL28 CYCLE 2 CD15
Mummy3610 TTC#4 UCL 26-30 cycle 3 CD12
LAF77 TTC #1, UCL28, Cycle 2 CD12
Magic8ballhastheanswers TTC#3 UCL31 cycle 4 CD8
BUnderthebonnet TTC#2 UCL 28-36, Cycle 2, CD7
Muser TTC#1, Cycle 1, UCL 28, CD4
Jollster TTC#2, Cycle 1 (partIII), UCL 26 CD3
SarahMia TTC#2, Cycle 1 (i think), UCL, 28 CD 22
WTTC
Cheepz TTC#2 MMC 26/3/10 2nd cycle post ERPC self imposed TTC amnesty
ElmMum TTC#2 MC 28/2-17/3/10 UCL 28/29 on cycle 1 of (self-imposed) 2 or 3 cycle wait
Freezing TTC#2 MC 28/3/10 on cycle 2 of 2 cycle wait
Digitalgirl TTC#2 MC 11/04/10
NBelle TTC#1 MC 09/04/10
MrsG/PrettyV Enjoying the view and the great company.
Barrenbrook TTC#1 MMC 12/05/10

GRADUATES
amyboo - baby boy - Matthew
totally - baby girl - Faith
hoops997 - baby boy - Benjamin
Memorylapse - Baby girl - Olivia
Stressy BFP 22nd August 2009
becky78 BFP 4th September 2009
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September 2009
Waitingisntfun BFP 19th September 2009
Chamois BFP 7th October 2009
Apples BFP 9th November 2009
Meita BFP 10th December 2009
CakeandFineWine BFP 27th December 2009
boodleboot BFP 2nd January 2010
LeeWT BFP 21st January 2010
TFLS BFP 22nd January 2010
Louisesh BFP 22nd January 2010
MrsRigby BFP 27th January 2010
TheKurgan BFP 30th January 2010
effilump BFP 8th February 2010
Sarahlou8 BFP 10th February 2010
samanthab123 BFP 10th February 2010
redandyellowandpinkandgreen BFP 6th March 2010
floweringcurrant BFP 8th March 2010
HappyGirl1 BFP 23rd March 2010
Unbuffy BFP 28th March 2010
Zayja BFP 2nd April 2010
Goodluckbear BFP 10th April 2010
Malteser1981 BFP 11th April 2010
Gilda BFP 19th April 2010
AlbaDeTamble BFP 25th April 2010
sparklyrainbow BFP 25th April 2010
BunnyBaby BFP 27th April 2010
Margie32 BFP 26th April
LucyT66 BFP 30th April
Redheadgal BFP 10th May
Westyorkshiregirl BFP 19 May

WOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! HIP HIP HIP HURRAY!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAYHAAAAAAAY!!!

HCG is DOWN TO 100!!!!!!!!!!

I am so, so, so overjoyed, have another test next Wednesday by which time it should be down below 20 and hopefuly I will be discharged!

THRILLED!!! I can maybe get back to TTC in the next couple of weeks

WOOOOP!

Sorry for the over-excitement, and thank you all SO MUCH for your support!

x

hey ladies - naptime at bee manor means a chance to get on and catch up with the chat during daylight . I know, I maybe went a little overboard with the overt cycle-tracking this month, it is the first month after all, I just wanted to know what was going on and feel I'd done everything I could to help stave off the disappointment of first cycle failure, but I guess the unspoken pressure didn't help matters.
We would normally just do the every other day thing from about day 9, so maybe if I just let him know what day it is and leave it at that he'll feel a bit more in control. We'll talk about it this evening - am sure we'll work something out. And I'll be here to handhold those who had better luck and are real contenders on the 2ww.

Enough about me - Hairy, sounds like a much more human doctor this time, fingers crossed for those results.

And I also wanted to extend a big warm hug to Sarahmia and empty.

x post hairy

Cheers Lady [green]

We've just danced around the living room cheering and wooping

LOL @ me posting [green] dur it must be the over excitement LOL! It was meant to be a third

I'm made up for you hairy
Just popped in quickly as I'm on mowbli and it's having a moment!

Also wanted to say Egg loving the posts
You funny .

Hi to everyone else , I'll be back laters

Hello y'all

I'm new to this thread but can I please join? I had a MMC last August at 11 weeks and 6 days, 2 weeks after my mum passed away, so last year was totally shit. This thread seems really positive though and I would love to sit in with you.

Fingers crossed for us all xx

*TAcrazy) welcome to the thread! Sorry to hear of your losses, I hope this year is panning out better for you so far.

Pull up a pew and join us!

Hairy x

Thanks Hairy!!

empty I was just reading back through the posts and got to your joining one - you mention your BMI is too high currently for NHS assistance for reproduction. But have you had the investigations done for the cause of the infertility yet? Not just you - your husband too (obviously, your high BMI can affect ovulation, but it has nothing to do with any problems he might have). You must have ovulated to get pregnant in the first place though, that's a good sign. And what about NHS help with losing the weight? I know you probably don't have the best opinion of GPs right now, but if you feel like they're down on your because of your BMI, can you turn the tables and ask them what they can do to help you get it down?
I expect after TTC for 3 years you're pretty much a pro, and know the score - just wondered whether you've talked with your about using metformin? If you look at this abstract here it seems to suggest that metformin alongside reduced calorie is better at reducing BMI, than dieting alone: "In both PCOS and control women, however, metformin treatment reduced body weight and BMI significantly more than placebo". Metformin is usually used for ladies with PCOS (like me) or diabetics, but in this study it doesn't matter if the people had PCOS or not, the weight reduction was improved for both.

Hope those papers aren't too arduous - take care

Our doctor did more than I expected them to do. OH's sperm is about as normally crap as any blokes, my hormone levels are... well female and normal, I've had a scan and no sign of PCOS (also showed a follicle ready to pop at the time).

There's nothing more the NHS can do with me until I lose the weight - I've shifted three stone of it with the help of xenical (a delightful experience in building a nice relationship up between you and your toilet) - but now I'm beginning to feel like I'm being strung along as some kind of project of his to see how far he can drag this fat woman along dangling some hope of help if she loses "just a little bit more weight"... "you've lost a lot, if you can lose a little bit more I'll try to persuade a consultant to see you before you hit the NHS guidelines" etc etc... with no actual progress. Cynically I'm hoping now I've actually mentioned that this is all making me consider suicide - that it might flag up to them the toll everything's taken on me - because I've been inwardly (and outwardly) begging for some more help for months now (I've sobbed buckets in the doc's surgery) and they haven't taken it on board and just strung me along agreeing to try for yet another month.

That was all before the miscarriage - now I know I'll get fobbed off with a "oh you must now be fertile, lose more weight and we'll see what we can do in a few more months of the weight loss." In other words - still getting absolutely nowhere and feeling more and more rotten about myself.

My BMI was pushing 48-49 and I was nearer 20 stone than 19 when I started all of this (for some reason my build is such that I didn't look it at all - I was a size 26/28 - I've always been able to carry weight well for some reason I've never fathomed)... BMI's now just nudging 40 and I'm about 17ish stones and just getting into a size 20. As you can guess - I've got a massively long way to go. Sad thing was - before all of this - I was happy about myself... now I've met the NHS obesity reduction guidelines monster... well, my username says what I've become - but hey ho I'm thinner therefore life must be rainbows, butterflies and beauty!

Oh - and I'm 32 in just over a fortnight... and the local limits on treatment deem you unsuitable and disqualified at the age of 35. There's really not much future apart from praying for a miracle - and I've tried that particular one for months!

Oh FFS, think RTD is here, has just started. I just cannot believe how crap my body is. Don't even feel I can go an weep at DP as he is in such a complete and total state over potential redundancy . It's so shit.

Sorry for being so self pitying, I know I've got it a lot better than many (thanks for the sensible reminder sarahmia), but I am young (27), healthy (5'6", 10st, fit, active, yada yada yada), fell pregnant first time both previous times, and now my body is BROKEN.

Hairy I'm so happy for you! What great news.

TACrazy welcome, sorry you find yourself here, as you can see we are a usually-very-cheerful-but-sometimes-very-not-cheerful bunch, but we're always nice!

Oh Hopefully, that's shit, it wears you down month after month doesn't it. If its any consolation its game over for me too pal - RTD appeared during a 3 hour meeting accompanied by agonising cramp. Only midly devastated as I knew inside there was no signs. Didn't stop me having a go at the weesticks this morning though! Last 2 cycles I've had an 11 now 10 day luteal phase which is a new joy to behold and something else to obssess about.

I've updated the list with us both - cycle buddies now, this time we will get upduffed! Sarahmia welcome to the list, if you're on CD 22 I've moved you up closer to the top. Jollster good to see you back in action! Slim, ready to move to the grads yet?

Sorry to hear the dreaded 'botched' attempts are spreading Ladybee. Sounds like what you're suggesting is sensible for future - bon chance. Lolling loads at Empty cursing the offending appendage! Then felt sad at your last post so sending a hug your way x

Brilliant news Hairy, so glad the end is in sight for you. I had crazy cramps for the WTF and 1st cycle Digi, try not to read to much into them - or fathom what they could mean.

Passing round the bottle of rioja purchsed on the way home from work, help yourselves everyone

Wednesday's List

JulesAbs TTC#1 UCL30 cycle 2 CD58
dirtgirl TTC#2 UCL28 cycle 2 CD49
Scotchontherocks TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 5 CD45
Gonnabe TTC#1 UCL28 Cycle 2 C42
Pollyanna TTC#6 UCL27 cycle3 CD34
Curlylox TTC#3 UCL28 cycle 3 CD34
Dorcas11 TTC 1, UCL29, cycle 1, CD34
slimyak TTC#2 UCL26 cycle 5 CD31
Clareanna TTC#2 UCL35 cycle 3 CD28
LucySnowe TTC#2 UCL 40+ cycle 3 CD26
Hopefully TTC#2 UCL 28 cycle 6 CD26
vivcliquot TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 6 CD25
Tigger15 TTC#2 UCL26-9 cycle 12 CD25
SarahMia TTC#2, Cycle 1 (i think), UCL, 28 CD 22
Littlemiss72 TTC#1 UCL28 cycle 4 CD21
LadyBee TTC#2 UCL27 cycle 1 CD15
Urd TTC#3 UCL28 CYCLE 2 CD15
Mummy3610 TTC#4 UCL 26-30 cycle 3 CD12
LAF77 TTC #1, UCL28, Cycle 2 CD12
Magic8ballhastheanswers TTC#3 UCL31 cycle 4 CD8
BUnderthebonnet TTC#2 UCL 28-36, Cycle 2, CD7
Muser TTC#1, Cycle 1, UCL 28, CD4
Jollster TTC#2, Cycle 1 (partIII), UCL 26 CD3
Moofold TTC#2 UCL~32 cycle4 CD1
Hopefully TTC#2 UCL 28 cycle 7 CD1

WTTC
Cheepz TTC#2 MMC 26/3/10 2nd cycle post ERPC self imposed TTC amnesty
ElmMum TTC#2 MC 28/2-17/3/10 UCL 28/29 on cycle 1 of (self-imposed) 2 or 3 cycle wait
Freezing TTC#2 MC 28/3/10 on cycle 2 of 2 cycle wait
Digitalgirl TTC#2 MC 11/04/10
NBelle TTC#1 MC 09/04/10
MrsG/PrettyV Enjoying the view and the great company.
Barrenbrook TTC#1 MMC 12/05/10

GRADUATES
amyboo - baby boy - Matthew
totally - baby girl - Faith
hoops997 - baby boy - Benjamin
Memorylapse - Baby girl - Olivia
Stressy BFP 22nd August 2009
becky78 BFP 4th September 2009
LittleOneMum BFP 7th September 2009
Waitingisntfun BFP 19th September 2009
Chamois BFP 7th October 2009
Apples BFP 9th November 2009
Meita BFP 10th December 2009
CakeandFineWine BFP 27th December 2009
boodleboot BFP 2nd January 2010
LeeWT BFP 21st January 2010
TFLS BFP 22nd January 2010
Louisesh BFP 22nd January 2010
MrsRigby BFP 27th January 2010
TheKurgan BFP 30th January 2010
effilump BFP 8th February 2010
Sarahlou8 BFP 10th February 2010
samanthab123 BFP 10th February 2010
redandyellowandpinkandgreen BFP 6th March 2010
floweringcurrant BFP 8th March 2010
HappyGirl1 BFP 23rd March 2010
Unbuffy BFP 28th March 2010
Zayja BFP 2nd April 2010
Goodluckbear BFP 10th April 2010
Malteser1981 BFP 11th April 2010
Gilda BFP 19th April 2010
AlbaDeTamble BFP 25th April 2010
sparklyrainbow BFP 25th April 2010
BunnyBaby BFP 27th April 2010
Margie32 BFP 26th April
LucyT66 BFP 30th April
Redheadgal BFP 10th May
Westyorkshiregirl BFP 19 May

Sorry, meant to say welcome to Tcrazy too -by all means join in! Sorry you need to be here, hope it helps you

Evening all, was just passing and thought I would say Hi

Have been lurking around the past few days - am glad to see eberyone ahs been busy... Welcome to the newbies - empty - glad you are on here - and you came over from the other thread xx hairy special mention for the HCG drop . Mine went from 100 to 2 really quick - so I bet yours will too xx

I am off to germany this weekend to see DP. I have been in the bath to shave arms, legs and 'ahem' other body bits. All I need to do now, is get down the M11, hope the volcano doesn't erupt and produce an egg from somewhere. A doddle realy ......

If I am not lucky this weekend then I won't see him for 3 weeks.. and if not then ... well who knows. Am starting to think it must be just a little bit easier to concieve if you are in the same country??

big wave to everyone else xx